Digital BW, The Print

I bought an Epson 1160 a couple of years ago, bought some MIS and Cone inks to do 
the Roark color variation in black and white (before MIS was mixing warm inks). I did 
a few test prints, then put the machine on the shelf and have not used it since.

I'm wondering if I could ask for current thinking on using the Epson 1160 in terms of 
inksets and papers to get high quality black and white prints.  In general, I prefer the 
warmer valued, as I traditionally printed with a split toned carbomide technique in the 
darkroom on Agfa Classic gloss, dried matte.  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Allen:

If you want to be able to vary the warm/cool tone of your prints then 
check out MIS VM inksets and use Paul Roark's workflow.  If you don't 
want to vary the tone, then check out the MIS FS (slightly warm) or 
FSN (neutral) inksets and use the 1160 RGB partitioned workflow. Both 
the Roark and 1160 RGB workflows are posted on the MIS workflow pages 
and in the files section of this forum.

The 1160 RGB workflow is at--

Files>Ink Sets>MIS>MIS FS>Jeff Randall's Workflow

The 1160 RGB workflow works well with FS or FSN inksets on EAM/EEM or 
Photorag.

Good luck.  Let's us know how you progress.

Jeff Randall 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Birnbach" 
<allenbirnbach@y...> wrote:
> I bought an Epson 1160 a couple of years ago, bought some MIS and 
Cone inks to do 
> the Roark color variation in black and white (before MIS was mixing 
warm inks). I did 
> a few test prints, then put the machine on the shelf and have not 
used it since.
> 
> I'm wondering if I could ask for current thinking on using the 
Epson 1160 in terms of 
> inksets and papers to get high quality black and white prints.  In 
general, I prefer the 
> warmer valued, as I traditionally printed with a split toned 
carbomide technique in the 
> darkroom on Agfa Classic gloss, dried matte.  Thanks in advance for 
any suggestions.

I am using the 1160 and MIS VM with Roark UT curves and am producing 
excellent "warm" and "medium warm" prints pretty much out of the 
box.  I recently took some of my "warm" prints to a gallery and felt 
that they compared very well with another photographers palladium 
prints.

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Birnbach" 
<allenbirnbach@y...> wrote:
> I bought an Epson 1160 a couple of years ago, bought some MIS and 
Cone inks to do 
> the Roark color variation in black and white (before MIS was mixing 
warm inks). I did 
> a few test prints, then put the machine on the shelf and have not 
used it since.
> 
> I'm wondering if I could ask for current thinking on using the 
Epson 1160 in terms of 
> inksets and papers to get high quality black and white prints.  In 
general, I prefer the 
> warmer valued, as I traditionally printed with a split toned 
carbomide technique in the 
> darkroom on Agfa Classic gloss, dried matte.  Thanks in advance for 
any suggestions.

Mark, what paper are you using, and can you give an online vendor for it?

 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hahn" 
<markhahn2000@y...> wrote:

> I am using the 1160 and MIS VM with Roark UT curves and am producing 
> excellent "warm" and "medium warm" prints pretty much out of the 
> box.  I recently took some of my "warm" prints to a gallery and felt 
> that they compared very well with another photographers palladium 
> prints.
> 
> mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Randall" <jrandall@c...> 
wrote:
 
> The 1160 RGB workflow works well with FS or FSN inksets on EAM/EEM or 
> Photorag.

Sorry, but what specifically is EAM/EEM or Photorag, and where could I purchase 
those to test?

Thanks.

I too have made prints with the MIS VM inks. However, I would not 
recommend them. After prints that I made with the warm and medium warm 
curves where exposed to indirect daylight for a few weeks they started 
to warm and continued to warm to an unattractive tone. Other users have 
reported that prints made with VM inks using the cooler curves don't 
warm. I had heard of this warming effect before I began using the inks 
but I was surprised to the degree of warming that occurred in such 
relatively  little time and with such moderate light exposure.

For this reason alone I would use the MIS UT inks that are reported to 
be "non warming". In addition I am finding that the tonal options that 
are possible with the UT inks are much more pleasing than the VM inks.

-Jeff

On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 02:56 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:

> I am using the 1160 and MIS VM with Roark UT curves and am producing
> excellent "warm" and "medium warm" prints pretty much out of the
> box.  I recently took some of my "warm" prints to a gallery and felt
> that they compared very well with another photographers palladium
> prints.
>
> mark
>

EAM=Epson Archival Matte
EEM=Epson Enhansed Matte (new name for EAM)
Photorag=Hahnemuhle Photorag (often rebranded)

Check out Atlantic Exchange for Epson papers.
Check out InkjetGoodies (and many others) for Hahnemuhle papers.

Jeff Randall


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Birnbach" 
<allenbirnbach@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Randall" 
<jrandall@c...> 
> wrote:
>  
> > The 1160 RGB workflow works well with FS or FSN inksets on 
EAM/EEM or 
> > Photorag.
> 
> Sorry, but what specifically is EAM/EEM or Photorag, and where 
could I purchase 

> those to test?
> 
> Thanks.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Allen Birnbach" 
<allenbirnbach@y...> wrote:
> I bought an Epson 1160 a couple of years ago, bought some MIS and Cone inks to 
do 
> the Roark color variation in black and white (before MIS was mixing warm inks). I 
did 
> a few test prints, then put the machine on the shelf and have not used it since.
> 
> I'm wondering if I could ask for current thinking on using the Epson 1160 in terms 
of 
> inksets and papers to get high quality black and white prints.  In general, I prefer 
the 
> warmer valued, as I traditionally printed with a split toned carbomide technique in 
the 
> darkroom on Agfa Classic gloss, dried matte.  Thanks in advance for any 
suggestions.

By the way, I found my old inks.  The four Cone Neutral Quadtone inks for black, 
magenta, yellow and cyan positions all say use before February 03. Do these really go 
bad?

I also have two containers of MIS ESC-ARC-4PC which I labeled VP3.

I also cannot find the information by Paul Roark explaining how to make this all work 
(we moved recently), and I cannot find anything in the files that looks like it will help.

So, is it possible to work with these old inks, or do I simply need to start over? Any 
thoughts would be appreciated.