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Re: [Digital BW] Re: "Ink limit" -- what is it?

Re: [Digital BW] Re: "Ink limit" -- what is it?

2003-11-22 by Richard Corbett

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From: "Dean Beattie" <dizzyashell@...>
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Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:43 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: "Ink limit" -- what is it?



Hi David,

I hope this will help you out. It is a bit technical, but it explains it we=
ll.


To make color separations, the three additive colors (red, green, and blue)=
 are
translated into their subtractive counterparts (cyan, magenta, and yellow).=
 In theory,
equal parts of cyan, magenta, and yellow combine to subtract all light refl=
ected from
the paper and create black. Due to impurities present in all printing inks,=
 however, a
mix of these colors instead yields a muddy brown. To compensate for this de=
ficiency
in the color separation process, printers remove some cyan, magenta, and ye=
llow in
areas where the three colors exist in equal amounts, and they add black ink=
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That is I am afraid factually incorrect. It is quite possible and usual for
a CYM mix to produce a neutral density but not using 100% for each colour.
The required differential is usually referred to as the grey balance
requirement and can typically be in the region of 100%C-85%M&Y.

If you add together a typical 100%85X2% and 65% you arrive at a figure of
335% and that would be considered the maximum necessary ink coverage for
that particular set of printing conditions.

In real life, the inclusion of dot gain would make it necessary to reduce
those figures to for instance a 95%C+80x2% for Y&M.
The purpose of the black is to add density such that a typical CYM dMax will
be inthe order of 1.30 but with the black added - say at about 65% - the
DMax becomes 1.60 for example

The actual maximum density of a four colour mix can be as high as 2.1 but
that depends on the paper, ink and press characteristics.

The question you could now ask is "how much Black is the right amount?" and
the answer to that is simple, and rather boring to the scientifically
orientated individual, in that the printer might run a series of black
printer press tests in order to discover the dot% required to give the
maximum DMax for the 4th colour black patch. In other words it would be
trial and error. Once obtained it would hardly be necessary to change the
separation requirements for any given original as the press operator could
alter the level of ink subjectivly if required in order to take account of
variations from job to job or sheet to sheet.

UCR was originally introduced for the benefit of the Gravure industry in
order to facilitate ink savings on long print runs. The problem with UCR is
that it is extremely difficult ro specify exactly where a neutral will end
and a colour shift begin and thus is had a relativly short trade life and it
certainly was not a feature found in UK web-offset printing.

GCR was introduced into the off-set industry through the facility of high
end drum scanner technology where the programmer was able to specify exactly
the level of grey component in any given colour, remove it from the
contaminating colour and replace it with black. Now that was a very good
technique because it enabled easier colour to colour register, substantial
ink savings (the CYM was always more expensive than the K) and because of
the register benefits, certain types of work looked sharper.

GCR was certainly not originally intended to be used as a technique for
improving shadow detail but, under the skilled control of the appropiate
scanner operator, it often could show benefits in the shadow areas of darker
images.

There are of course limits to tha amount of GCR that can be applied,
otherwise the problem of ink trap rears it's ugly head. This unfortualte
condition occurs when one colour lays over another to a lesser degree than
anticipated due to the low area coverage of the underlying colour. It is is
not practicable to print only black in a particular area as the DMax of
black only is always less than the DMax of Black on top of one or more
colours.

Although I am long retired from the printing industry I should imagine that
much the same procedures are followed today as in my time because the
technical improvementsa available to the offset printer are now into the
slowly, slowly - tiny, tiny area of product development.

All the above has nothing whatsoever to do with what happens inside an Ink
jet printer, the secrets of which remain a complete mystery to moi'

.....and thus endeth the first lesson

Richard
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: "Ink limit" -- what is it?

2003-11-22 by kenschuster

Richard, you are so right on the button! Best explanation I've
seen in 40 years. 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Richard Corbett 
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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: "Ink limit" -- what is it?

...snip...
That is I am afraid factually incorrect. It is quite possible and usual for
a CYM mix to produce a neutral density but not using 100% for each colour.
The required differential is usually referred to as the grey balance
requirement and can typically be in the region of 100%C-85%M&Y.
...snip...

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Re: [Digital BW] Re: "Ink limit" -- what is it?

2003-11-23 by Richard Corbett

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Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:34 PM
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> Richard, you are so right on the button! Best explanation I've
> seen in 40 years. 

...any advance on 40 years....going....going......

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