Digital BW, The Print

I have a epson 2200  on my desk  and have been reading forums and 
talking to folks. More I hear the less able I am to load the inks 
and software.  Just read the  clayton jones article about Black 
Only. Is that a good place for me to start and can I use it both 
color and bw interchangeabley.  A Rip  program right now is out of 
the question. suggest to get me kick started?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jerdiakiw" 
<jdiakiw@e...> wrote:
> I have a epson 2200  on my desk  and have been reading forums and 
> talking to folks. More I hear the less able I am to load the inks 
> and software.  Just read the  clayton jones article about Black 
> Only. Is that a good place for me to start and can I use it both 
> color and bw interchangeabley.  A Rip  program right now is out of 
> the question. suggest to get me kick started?

Just Yesterday I got to see Clayton's first large print on the 2200. 
It is absolutely beautiful, a fine print by any standards. He's 
replaced the photoblack with MIS Eboni, and the results are great. 
Apparently the dither pattern with a matte-black type cartridge is 
different, and at 2880 on a bigger print there is no sense of 
grittiness at all, no dither-banding, and the tonal range is great. 
I would reccommend that as a first step to anyone. Jump in, the 
water isn't nearly as murky as it appears!

Steve Karafyllakis

It's a great printer and you really won't know if it will work out 
until you get it and put some effort into it.  Further, it isn't a 
dead-end.  Even if you do end up needing a RIP, you don't have to get 
Imageprint, there are others and you should definitely try the demos 
before buying the most expensive one.

have fun!!!!

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jerdiakiw" 
> <jdiakiw@e...> wrote:
> > I have a epson 2200  on my desk  and have been reading forums and 
> > talking to folks. More I hear the less able I am to load the inks 
> > and software.  Just read the  clayton jones article about Black 
> > Only. Is that a good place for me to start and can I use it both 
> > color and bw interchangeabley.  A Rip  program right now is out 
of 
> > the question. suggest to get me kick started?
> 
> Just Yesterday I got to see Clayton's first large print on the 
2200. 

> It is absolutely beautiful, a fine print by any standards. He's 
> replaced the photoblack with MIS Eboni, and the results are great. 
> Apparently the dither pattern with a matte-black type cartridge is 
> different, and at 2880 on a bigger print there is no sense of 
> grittiness at all, no dither-banding, and the tonal range is great. 
> I would reccommend that as a first step to anyone. Jump in, the 
> water isn't nearly as murky as it appears!
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis

> I have a epson 2200  on my desk  and have been reading forums and
> talking to folks. More I hear the less able I am to load the inks
> and software.  Just read the  clayton jones article about Black
> Only. Is that a good place for me to start and can I use it both
> color and bw interchangeabley.  A Rip  program right now is out of
> the question. suggest to get me kick started?
> 
> 
> 

Dude,
Quit listening to the herd. Put the ink in the printer, install the software
and hit print, don't profile, don't worry, don't hesitate. You are not
marrying someone, you are making a print with a fine piece of equipment -
see what it can do with the least amount of input possible. Then go from
there. 

Print on,
Jerry

Hello jerdiakiw,

>I have a epson 2200  on my desk  and have been reading forums and 
>talking to folks. More I hear the less able I am to load the inks 
>and software.  Just read the  clayton jones article about Black 
>Only. Is that a good place for me to start and can I use it both 
>color and bw interchangeabley.  A Rip  program right now is out of 
>the question

I have just finished revising those articles to reflect the new inks
that became available this year, and it also has the settings for a
2200 which I now use.  So you may want to go back and have another
look.

The 2200 produces the best Black Only prints I have seen, and the MIS
Eboni ink is great.  To the best of my knowledge, BO printing is the
easiest and least expensive way to get into this, and it doesn't lock
you into anything.  Go for it.

Try it with the Photo Black that came with the printer.  It will be
very warm, but also very smooth (non gritty).  If you get the Epson
Matte Black you'll see it is a bit cooler, not quite as smooth (it
changes the dither pattern for Matte Black), and much greater D-max. 
If you get the Eboni ink it will be even cooler (closest to neutral),
giving very intense blacks.  It's great stuff!

Eboni also works well with the Epson color inks in the 2200, so you
can make color prints any time you want without having to change
anything.


Best Regards,
Clayton

Clayton,  thnaks for the encouraging news-  I will take the 
plunge.   Does this mean you don't think I need  additional programs 
like imaqeprint, ot epson's RIP?  or will I need them eventually?  
Do I have to develop profiles, whatever they are ?

 A much relieved and encourtaged   jerry

-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@c...> wrote:
> Hello jerdiakiw,
> 
> >I have a epson 2200  on my desk  and have been reading forums and 
> >talking to folks. More I hear the less able I am to load the inks 
> >and software.  Just read the  clayton jones article about Black 
> >Only. Is that a good place for me to start and can I use it both 
> >color and bw interchangeabley.  A Rip  program right now is out 
of 
> >the question
> 
> I have just finished revising those articles to reflect the new 
inks
> that became available this year, and it also has the settings for a
> 2200 which I now use.  So you may want to go back and have another
> look.
> 
> The 2200 produces the best Black Only prints I have seen, and the 
MIS
> Eboni ink is great.  To the best of my knowledge, BO printing is 
the
> easiest and least expensive way to get into this, and it doesn't 
lock
> you into anything.  Go for it.
> 
> Try it with the Photo Black that came with the printer.  It will be
> very warm, but also very smooth (non gritty).  If you get the Epson
> Matte Black you'll see it is a bit cooler, not quite as smooth (it
> changes the dither pattern for Matte Black), and much greater D-
max. 
> If you get the Eboni ink it will be even cooler (closest to 
neutral),

> giving very intense blacks.  It's great stuff!
> 
> Eboni also works well with the Epson color inks in the 2200, so you
> can make color prints any time you want without having to change
> anything.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Clayton

Hello Jerry,

>I will take the plunge.   

Good, give it a try, there is nothing to lose.


>Does this mean you don't think I need  additional programs 
>like imaqeprint

No need to use it for BO prints.  Imageprint (IP) is a very good but
expensive RIP with (from what people say) a fairly steep learning
curve.  It mixes cyan and Magenta ink in with the black inks in order
to control the tone color.  After you have some experience making
prints you'll know if you want to try it.


>or epson's RIP?  

People who have used this say it's very poor and dificult to use, and
not worth the cost.


>or will I need them eventually?  

You don't need anything else to do BO printing (other than getting a
different black ink than Photo Black; at the very least use the Epson
Matte Black).  Whether or not you are satisfied with the results or
wish to try something else is up to you, but one nice thing about it
is that you are not locked into it, and can try other things any time
you want to.  

There is a ton of stuff to learn in the beginning, especially about
using PhotoShop.  Just start making prints, and keep up with messages
here every day - things will begin to make sense.  At some point down
the road you'll have learned enough to know what else you might want
to try, and having experience making prints will give you a frame of
reference.


>Do I have to develop profiles, whatever they are ?

No, just follow the steps in the "How To Do It" section in article #3
to get started, and then later in more detail in #4.  Don't forget to
have fun! <g>.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Jerry  -
 
In the end you are the only one that can answer those questions.  But, you must make prints before you can really evaluate those questions.  In this regard printing on an inkjet is just like the darkroom:  the best learning aid you can have is a large trash can, and the willingness to fill it up.  PRINT! PRINT! PRINT!
 
Tom Baker

jerdiakiw <jdiakiw@...> wrote:
  Clayton,  thnaks for the encouraging news-  I will take the 
plunge.   Does this mean you don't think I need  additional programs 
like imaqeprint, ot epson's RIP?  or will I need them eventually?  
Do I have to develop profiles, whatever they are ?

A much relieved and encourtaged   jerry

-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@c...> wrote:
> Hello jerdiakiw,
> 
> >I have a epson 2200  on my desk  and have been reading forums and 
> >talking to folks. More I hear the less able I am to load the inks 
> >and software.  Just read the  clayton jones article about Black 
> >Only. Is that a good place for me to start and can I use it both 
> >color and bw interchangeabley.  A Rip  program right now is out 
of 
> >the question
> 
> I have just finished revising those articles to reflect the new 
inks
> that became available this year, and it also has the settings for a
> 2200 which I now use.  So you may want to go back and have another
> look.
> 
> The 2200 produces the best Black Only prints I have seen, and the 
MIS
> Eboni ink is great.  To the best of my knowledge, BO printing is 
the
> easiest and least expensive way to get into this, and it doesn't 
lock
> you into anything.  Go for it.
> 
> Try it with the Photo Black that came with the printer.  It will be
> very warm, but also very smooth (non gritty).  If you get the Epson
> Matte Black you'll see it is a bit cooler, not quite as smooth (it
> changes the dither pattern for Matte Black), and much greater D-
max. 
> If you get the Eboni ink it will be even cooler (closest to 
neutral),
> giving very intense blacks.  It's great stuff!
> 
> Eboni also works well with the Epson color inks in the 2200, so you
> can make color prints any time you want without having to change
> anything.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Clayton


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