Digital BW, The Print

I have been following this forum a few weeks and find myself confused 
about options and capabilities.  I have a 1280 with which I have gone 
through a lot of stuff to get good color prints.  Now I want to do 
B&W too.  My thought was that I would buy a 2200 and use that for my 
color work and use my 1280 as a B&W printer.  However, the snippets 
of information I picked up here about ImagePrint have me wondering if 
this is really necessary.  So here are my questions:

1.  Could I buy the 2200 and the light version of ImagePrint and use 
the 2200 for both color and B&W?

2.  If the answer to 1 is yes. Would I be restricted to Epson's inks 
or would it be possible to use oem inks and cartridges?

3.  Would there be some restriction w.r.t. papers?  (I am assuming 
that if there are limitiations (w.r.t. #2 and #3) these will be 
removed as more vendors move to support this printer.)

4.  Finally, I notice that Kodak has recently entered the printer 
market with dye-sub printer.  How are these for B&W?

Finally I want to say that, although sometimes the posts in this 
forum include a lot of extraneous stuff for someone who gets only the 
digests, DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint is one of the most vital and 
information-rich forums I have seen on the internet.  It is a 
wonderful resource and I appreciate this community and the generous 
sharing of its collective knowledge.

Thanks,
Alec Himwich

Alec  -
 
Imageprint makes beautiful b&w prints with Ultrachrome inks.  I use Imageprint on a 9600, so I can't answer all of you 2200 questions.  However, as for question 2:  at last check Colorbyte Software (Imageprint) was only providing profiles for the 2200/7600/9600 for Ultrachrome inks.  You can get custom made profiles for other ink sets.  However, you will have to pay someone to make those.  The Imageprint profiles are downloadable from the Colorbyte site for use with Imageprint.  There is no charge for those.  
 
The number of papers for which Imageprint currently provides profiles for is fairly significant.  Probably would cover almost all of the papers that you might want to use.
 
Tom Baker
mrmeasure <himwich@...> wrote:
I have been following this forum a few weeks and find myself confused 
about options and capabilities.  I have a 1280 with which I have gone 
through a lot of stuff to get good color prints.  Now I want to do 
B&W too.  My thought was that I would buy a 2200 and use that for my 
color work and use my 1280 as a B&W printer.  However, the snippets 
of information I picked up here about ImagePrint have me wondering if 
this is really necessary.  So here are my questions:

1.  Could I buy the 2200 and the light version of ImagePrint and use 
the 2200 for both color and B&W?

2.  If the answer to 1 is yes. Would I be restricted to Epson's inks 
or would it be possible to use oem inks and cartridges?

3.  Would there be some restriction w.r.t. papers?  (I am assuming 
that if there are limitiations (w.r.t. #2 and #3) these will be 
removed as more vendors move to support this printer.)

4.  Finally, I notice that Kodak has recently entered the printer 
market with dye-sub printer.  How are these for B&W?

Finally I want to say that, although sometimes the posts in this 
forum include a lot of extraneous stuff for someone who gets only the 
digests, DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint is one of the most vital and 
information-rich forums I have seen on the internet.  It is a 
wonderful resource and I appreciate this community and the generous 
sharing of its collective knowledge.

Thanks,
Alec Himwich






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On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 04:05  PM, mrmeasure wrote:

> 4.  Finally, I notice that Kodak has recently entered the printer
> market with dye-sub printer.  How are these for B&W?

Kodak has been in the dye-sub market for several years, they tend to 
have higher per print materials cost than inkjet.

cort

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Cort Anderson
Training Wheels, llc
www.trwheels.com
620-488-2960
620-488-3196 fax

Alec:

> 1.  Could I buy the 2200 and the light version of ImagePrint and use 
> the 2200 for both color and B&W?

Yes. ImagePrint makes wonder B&W prints and the color profiles are very accurate.


> 2.  If the answer to 1 is yes. Would I be restricted to Epson's inks 
> or would it be possible to use oem inks and cartridges?

ImagePrint profiles are for Epson inks, but I suppose you could make your own profiles, 
or have profiles made for other inks but those profiles might not be as good. If you're 
concerned about cost per print then you might want to get the forthcoming Epson 4000, 
but unless you're making lots of prints this should not be an issue. The 4000 would also 
allow you to make larger prints, 16x24 inches.


> 3.  Would there be some restriction w.r.t. papers?  (I am assuming 
> that if there are limitiations (w.r.t. #2 and #3) these will be 
> removed as more vendors move to support this printer.)

ImagePrint has profiles for lots of papers. Look at their web site.


> 4.  Finally, I notice that Kodak has recently entered the printer 
> market with dye-sub printer.  How are these for B&W?

Kodak has had the 8600 and 8650 dye sub printers some for ten years. I had the 8650 
and found that prints with even tone areas, like skies, were often subject to streaking, 
and the maximum print size is only 8x12 inches. The B&W is satisfactory when printed 
with the RGB ribbon rather than the grayscale ribbon, the latter lacking "depth." But I 
prefer my Epson 7600/ImagePrint prints.

--Mitch/Bangkok