Digital BW, The Print

Hello,

I have a problem scanning a 8x10 negative: Andreas Weidner, a large 
format photographer I adore, has published a book about fine art 
photography that contains both an 8x10 inch negative (BW) and a 
(conventional FB) print of it. The idea is to print the negative and 
compare the result with Andreas' print in order to improve ones 
darkroom skills.

I tried it digitally. I scanned both the negative and positive with 
my brand new Epson 3200 scanner, using Silverfast software. The 
positivescans well, and the printed version of it looks very fine and 
similar to the original. However, if  I try to scan the negative, the 
resulting scan looks terrible. Especially the light parts of the 
negative show strong stripes of different density. Even very 
homogeneous grey fields in the negative do. I have no idea where this 
comes from. I tried to scan my negs (4x5, on a different film), and I 
did not have any problems. I have no idea of the film type of 8x10 
negative.

Any ideas how I can avoid this?

Thanks a lot for your help,
Ernst

"ernstnusterer" <fotos@e...> wrote:
>  However, if  I try to scan the negative, the 
> resulting scan looks terrible. Especially the light parts of the 
> negative show strong stripes of different density. 


The negative covered the calibration area.

You can't scan a full 8x10 negative on the 3200.  The area is only 4.5 x 9 inches.
 
Tom Baker

John Vitollo <jvlist@...> wrote:
"ernstnusterer" <fotos@e...> wrote:
>  However, if  I try to scan the negative, the 
> resulting scan looks terrible. Especially the light parts of the 
> negative show strong stripes of different density. 


The negative covered the calibration area.


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At 10:51 AM 12/9/03 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I have a problem scanning a 8x10 negative: Andreas Weidner, a large
>format photographer I adore, has published a book about fine art
>photography that contains both an 8x10 inch negative (BW) and a
>(conventional FB) print of it. The idea is to print the negative and
>compare the result with Andreas' print in order to improve ones
>darkroom skills.
>
>I tried it digitally. I scanned both the negative and positive with
>my brand new Epson 3200 scanner, using Silverfast software. The
>positivescans well, and the printed version of it looks very fine and
>similar to the original. However, if  I try to scan the negative, the
>resulting scan looks terrible. Especially the light parts of the
>negative show strong stripes of different density. Even very
>homogeneous grey fields in the negative do. I have no idea where this
>comes from. I tried to scan my negs (4x5, on a different film), and I
>did not have any problems. I have no idea of the film type of 8x10
>negative.
>
>Any ideas how I can avoid this?
>
>Thanks a lot for your help,
>Ernst

Ernst,

I'm puzzled - the 3200 scanner can only cover a 4.5 in. wide strip of film. 
How can it scan 8 x 10?

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Does this neg have a screen? In other words, is the neg a true sheet of 
photo film or film from an imagesetter? Could this be moiré?
Mark

On Dec 9, 2003, at 11:35 AM, Alan Zinn wrote:

> However, if  I try to scan the negative, the
> >resulting scan looks terrible. Especially the light parts of the
> >negative show strong stripes of different density. Even very
> >homogeneous grey fields in the negative do. I have no idea where this
> >comes from.

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you can scan it in two parts and then stitch it together with 
something like panotools or another free package and get excellent 
results.  Epson should make clearer the need to leave that 
calibration area open... more people have problems with that, even 
sending back good scanners...

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker 
<tbaker1328@s...> wrote:
> You can't scan a full 8x10 negative on the 3200.  The area is only 
4.5 x 9 inches.
>  
> Tom Baker
> 
> John Vitollo <jvlist@c...> wrote:
> "ernstnusterer" <fotos@e...> wrote:
> >  However, if  I try to scan the negative, the 
> > resulting scan looks terrible. Especially the light parts of the 
> > negative show strong stripes of different density. 
> 
> 
> The negative covered the calibration area.
> 
> 
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Mark,

Where is the calibratin area on Epson scanners?

Truman

Mark Hahn wrote:

> you can scan it in two parts and then stitch it together with
> something like panotools or another free package and get excellent
> results.  Epson should make clearer the need to leave that
> calibration area open... more people have problems with that, even
> sending back good scanners...
>
> mark
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Does anyone know where to get this book?
Mark
On Dec 9, 2003, at 11:35 AM, Alan Zinn wrote:

> I have a problem scanning a 8x10 negative: Andreas Weidner, a large
> >format photographer I adore, has published a book about fine art
> >photography that contains both an 8x10 inch negative (BW) and a
> >(conventional FB) print of it. The idea is to print the negative and
> >compare the result with Andreas' print in order to improve ones
> >darkroom skills.


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