Digital BW, The Print

Piezography is using the Piezography software to print using the inkjet printers supported by the software.  

Surf over to Inkjetmall.com and read all about it. 

The piezo head is part of it.  But the term Piezography or Piezographers refers to people using the software and inks developed by Jon Cone.  

Steadman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Garry Sarre 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:12 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] The ultimate dumb question


  At the risk of losing any credibility with this group forever more, I 
  have honestly searched for a definition of Piezography in this group 
  and have come up nonplussed. What is it, I feel more and more stupid 
  everytime I read your messages. Sometimes I think it is the software 
  in between the programme and the printer, other times the type of 
  nozzles in the printer.

  Someone please transform my ignorance into clear vision and then 
  forget that I ever asked. 

  Your most humble photographer

  Garry Sarre


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Basically Piezography is printing with Piezo inks and Software and on
paper that comes with profiles in the software package.  Gets you going
right out of the box. About the easiest way to get into quality black
and white printing. Inks are very expensive. A lot of people that were
using piezo have switched to the MIS variable tone inkset and Paul
Roark's curves. The MIS archival inks are 1/5th the cost of piezo inks,
and you don't need piezo software.  You have a choice of warm to cold
tone prints, and quality is virtually indistinguishable from piezo prints.

The piezo inks are very warm on bright white papers. Some would say
Brown. (especially me :). If you like warm toned papers, you will love
piezo prints.

jerry



Garry Sarre wrote:

> 
> At the risk of losing any credibility with this group forever more, I
> have honestly searched for a definition of Piezography in this group
> and have come up nonplussed. What is it, I feel more and more stupid
> everytime I read your messages. Sometimes I think it is the software
> in between the programme and the printer, other times the type of
> nozzles in the printer.
> 
> Someone please transform my ignorance into clear vision and then
> forget that I ever asked.
> 
> Your most humble photographer
> 
> Garry Sarre
> 
> 
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on 10/12/01 1:23 PM, Jerry Olson at jerryolson@... wrote:

> The piezo inks are very warm on bright white papers. Some would say
> Brown. (especially me :). If you like warm toned papers, you will love
> piezo prints.
> 
> jerry

actually only Jerry thinks they're brown. Personally I think they range from
dead neutral to slightly warm on white papers. They do go a bit sepia on
Somerset Enhanced. 

The tone is sometimes described as 'oyster', which is not far off.

It's nice.

-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

Is it appropriate and/or acceptable to refer to quadtone prints (using piezo
or MIS inks on an epson printer) as Giclee prints?

If not, why not?

Bill Gatesman  wgates@...


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Johnny, print a piezo print on Aspen Dual Sided Matte Paper, take it
outside in the daylight, (Overcast sky is best), and tell me what color
you think the print is.

Jerry :)







Johnny Deadman wrote:

> 
> on 10/12/01 1:23 PM, Jerry Olson at jerryolson@... wrote:
> 
> > The piezo inks are very warm on bright white papers. Some would say
> > Brown. (especially me :). If you like warm toned papers, you will love
> > piezo prints.
> >
> > jerry
> 
> actually only Jerry thinks they're brown. Personally I think they range from
> dead neutral to slightly warm on white papers. They do go a bit sepia on
> Somerset Enhanced.
> 
> The tone is sometimes described as 'oyster', which is not far off.
> 
> It's nice.
> 
> --
> John Brownlow
> 
> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
> 
> 
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Jerry,

The more I work with the different ink sets and read the different 
posts, the more I am convinced that there is a significant variation 
in color perception from person to person. We are apparently looking 
at the same thing and seeing something different. In addition there 
is the issue of the differences in personal taste. 

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Johnny, print a piezo print on Aspen Dual Sided Matte Paper, take it
> outside in the daylight, (Overcast sky is best), and tell me what 
color
> you think the print is.
> 
> Jerry :)
> 
> 

(snip)

Bernhard,

>Giclee print IMO is just a more noble word for "inkjet" print - comes from 
>french word "giclée" (bubble) - was originally used for the IRIS printer, 
>nowadays sometimes used for "fine art prints".

Not quite. The French official translation is "to spurt, as of blood or 
water" and obviously refers to the action of the Piezo heads spurting ink 
onto the paper using an inkjet printer. Unfortunately there is also a 
very vulgar connotation to the term in local slang, so I would avoid 
using it in France. Yeah, the Iris folks coined the term for their fine 
art prints - guess they were searching for a hoity-toity foreign sounding 
name so as not to use the word "inkjet"...but they should have done a bit 
more research  (g).

Cheers,

Nina (in Paris)

Nina,

Thanks for the confirmation on the definition. I had heard this 
before but it is nice to get it from someone whose native language is 
French.

Even before I knew the literal meaning of the word I thought that it 
sounded pompous and very silly.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., ncm <ncm@m...> wrote:
> Bernhard,
> 
> >Giclee print IMO is just a more noble word for "inkjet" print - 
comes from 
> >french word "giclée" (bubble) - was originally used for the IRIS 
printer, 
> >nowadays sometimes used for "fine art prints".
> 
> Not quite. The French official translation is "to spurt, as of 
blood or 
> water" and obviously refers to the action of the Piezo heads 
spurting ink 
> onto the paper using an inkjet printer. Unfortunately there is also 
a 
> very vulgar connotation to the term in local slang, so I would 
avoid 
> using it in France. Yeah, the Iris folks coined the term for their 
fine 
> art prints - guess they were searching for a hoity-toity foreign 
sounding 
> name so as not to use the word "inkjet"...but they should have done 
a bit 

> more research  (g).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Nina (in Paris)

> > 
> > >Giclee print IMO is just a more noble word for "inkjet" print - 
> comes from 
> > >french word "giclée" (bubble) - was originally used for the IRIS 
> printer, 
> > >nowadays sometimes used for "fine art prints".
> > 
> > Not quite. The French official translation is "to spurt, as of 
> blood or 
> > water" and obviously refers to the action of the Piezo heads 
> spurting ink 
> > onto the paper using an inkjet printer. Unfortunately there is 
also 
> a 
> > very vulgar connotation to the term in local slang, so I would 
> avoid 
> > using it in France. Yeah, the Iris folks coined the term for 
their 
> fine 
> > art prints - guess they were searching for a hoity-toity foreign 
> sounding 
> > name so as not to use the word "inkjet"...but they should have 
done 
> a bit 
> > more research  (g).
> > 

But to answer the original question - No it's not true to say the a 
desktop printed image is 'Giclee'. In order to 'giclee' it follows 
that pressure must be applied to the fluid. I don't think a dripping 
tap could be said to be squirting. (if you follow the analogy.)

DH

Martin,

Correction: my native language isn't French (Italian and English) though 
I speak it and have been living here in Paris for seven years. In fact 
the "Giclee" discussion came up some time back on the Compuserve 
Photography forum and at a dinner party with a museum curator, a gallery 
owner and others in the art world I took advantage of the occasion to 
specifically ask them

a) what the term "giclee" meant
b) what they called an inkjet print in art circles in France

answers were

a) smirks and advice not to use the term in polite society (followed by 
explanation of the official and slang meanings)

b) "tirage numérique" or "tirage digitale"

None of them had ever heard the term "giclee" used to define an inkjet 
print.

Cheers,

Nina

>I had heard this 
>before but it is nice to get it from someone whose native language is 
>French.

I'm not Nina, but it this context, I believe it means photographic print.

Helene

<< Nina, what does Tirage mean? >>

Steadman,

>I don't have my little Langensheit  French dictionary around,  please 
>define "tirage"

It simply means a print. Same word used for darkroom prints, digital 
prints, whatever.

Cheers,

Nina

Jerry,

>Nina, what does Tirage mean?

It simply means a print - whether darkroom or digital. When applied to 
quantity the same term  means edition, as in the number of 
prints/magazines/books printed in that edition.

Cheers,

Nina