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Re: [Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W

2004-01-29 by Ernst Dinkla

There are now more reviews of the R800:

http://www.redrivercatalog.com/infocenter/epsonr800.htm

http://www.photo-i.co.uk/

A quote from the last (page 2):
>The print dot is almost invisible even under high magnification.
If this were a 35mm film shot then the film grain would be larger
than the print dot. The printer does not apply any sharpening to
the image so what you see here is more or less what you get.<

Pity that there's no BO test included in the last review. The 1.5
picolitre droplet asks for a test like that.  Normal B&W (with
composite greys) isn't at the level of the Ultrachrome models
with the light grey. Looks like a good test in total though.

Now we have to wait for the wide format model.

Ernst
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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Mike Botelho" <mfractl@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:19 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W


|
| OK, to follow up on my own post, I found this comment from
someone
| who actually owns the PX-G900, which is the Japanese equivalent
of
| the R800 I mentioned:
|
|
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=6402074
|
| One comment is hardly conclusive, but it at least supports my
| suspicion that B&W might be improved.  This person indicated
B&W
| coparable to a 2200 with IP (no metamerism).  Though he did
seem to
| be printing in color, not BO as I was talking about.
|
| Anyway, that's enough about printers that aren't available yet.
Back
| to figuring out what I'm going to print with in the present.
|
| Mike

[Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W

2004-01-29 by photosimon2001

Here is hoping for a large format R800 with Imageprint 6 support - 
that would mean just one printer necessary for all printouts - the 
gloss surface of the R800 is great.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ernst Dinkla" 
<E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> There are now more reviews of the R800:
> 
> http://www.redrivercatalog.com/infocenter/epsonr800.htm
> 
> http://www.photo-i.co.uk/
> 
> A quote from the last (page 2):
> >The print dot is almost invisible even under high magnification.
> If this were a 35mm film shot then the film grain would be larger
> than the print dot. The printer does not apply any sharpening to
> the image so what you see here is more or less what you get.<
> 
> Pity that there's no BO test included in the last review. The 1.5
> picolitre droplet asks for a test like that.  Normal B&W (with
> composite greys) isn't at the level of the Ultrachrome models
> with the light grey. Looks like a good test in total though.
> 
> Now we have to wait for the wide format model.
> 
> Ernst
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: "Mike Botelho" <mfractl@h...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:19 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W
> 
> 
> |
> | OK, to follow up on my own post, I found this comment from
> someone
> | who actually owns the PX-G900, which is the Japanese equivalent
> of
> | the R800 I mentioned:
> |
> |
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?
forum=1013&message=6402074
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> |
> | One comment is hardly conclusive, but it at least supports my
> | suspicion that B&W might be improved.  This person indicated
> B&W
> | coparable to a 2200 with IP (no metamerism).  Though he did
> seem to
> | be printing in color, not BO as I was talking about.
> |
> | Anyway, that's enough about printers that aren't available yet.
> Back
> | to figuring out what I'm going to print with in the present.
> |
> | Mike

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W

2004-01-29 by Carl Schofield

I asked this reviewer to do a BO test, but he said that the R800 driver  
he received had no provision for BO printing.

Carl
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On Thursday, January 29, 2004, at 03:54  AM, Ernst Dinkla wrote:

> There are now more reviews of the R800:
>
> http://www.redrivercatalog.com/infocenter/epsonr800.htm
>
> http://www.photo-i.co.uk/
>
> A quote from the last (page 2):
>> The print dot is almost invisible even under high magnification.
> If this were a 35mm film shot then the film grain would be larger
> than the print dot. The printer does not apply any sharpening to
> the image so what you see here is more or less what you get.<
>
> Pity that there's no BO test included in the last review. The 1.5
> picolitre droplet asks for a test like that.  Normal B&W (with
> composite greys) isn't at the level of the Ultrachrome models
> with the light grey. Looks like a good test in total though.
>
> Now we have to wait for the wide format model.
>
> Ernst
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Mike Botelho" <mfractl@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:19 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W
>
>
> |
> | OK, to follow up on my own post, I found this comment from
> someone
> | who actually owns the PX-G900, which is the Japanese equivalent
> of
> | the R800 I mentioned:
> |
> |
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=6402074
> |
> | One comment is hardly conclusive, but it at least supports my
> | suspicion that B&W might be improved.  This person indicated
> B&W
> | coparable to a 2200 with IP (no metamerism).  Though he did
> seem to
> | be printing in color, not BO as I was talking about.
> |
> | Anyway, that's enough about printers that aren't available yet.
> Back
> | to figuring out what I'm going to print with in the present.
> |
> | Mike
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W

2004-01-29 by Ernst Dinkla

----- Original Message ----- 
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From: "Carl Schofield" <scho@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W


I asked this reviewer to do a BO test, but he said that the R800
driver
he received had no provision for BO printing.

Carl

As I understand it the Japanese driver should have BO printing.
It is discussed in the forum:
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.pl?s=4018ca1d7e49ffff;act=ST;f=40;t=43

Ernst

Re: [Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W

2004-01-29 by Steve Kale

I too have asked Vincent to take another look at Black Only.  The driver
apparently has a provision for 'Greyscale' which would make sense if Epson
wanted to better label black only.  I understand for example that in the US
driver for the 2200 it refers to Black Only whereas in the European driver
for the 2100 the choice is simply Colour or Black.  These terms, I would
expect, confuse a lot of people.  Vincent said that "the option is for
Greyscale and this is just a simple desaturate, i.e. it removes the colours
and converts the file on the fly".  I have asked him if would be so kind to
retest with the new driver and specifically to begin with a greyscale image
from a grey space such as Gray Gamma 2.2 and to print using Same as Source
at 2880ppi.  I think he will respond fairly quickly.
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> From: Carl Schofield <scho@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:32:02 -0500
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: The Epson R800 & B&W
> 
> I asked this reviewer to do a BO test, but he said that the R800 driver
> he received had no provision for BO printing.
> 
> Carl
> On Thursday, January 29, 2004, at 03:54  AM, Ernst Dinkla wrote:

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