Digital BW, The Print

I use an Epson 860 (4-color 8.5" versions of the venerable 1160) with Lyson
Quad tones inks.   I print to glossy paper as my images are sent to litho
duplicators.  I've noticed that the Black & White prints done on my Epson
870 (6-color) have smoother tonality in the mid-high to high tones.  To be
specific, the 860 seems to have an abrupt shift in this area, making very
light tones appear as white areas because the ever so slightly darker tones
are missing, which the 870 doesn't do.   But the 870 has the "greenies"
because I'm using the Epson inks.

Epson is selling refurbished the 890 and the 960.  The 960 uses separate
tanks and has 2 pico drops, the 890 is the 2880 version of the 870.   Lyson
inks are available for the 890, not the 960.

I'd appreciate any thoughts on which would be the better choice to replace
my 860.   Or does anyone know how to get smoother tonality on the 4-color
860?

thanks to all

Rick Schiller
www.rickschiller.com

Rick,

I think refurbished 890s for $129 are a great bargain.  With the inks I use,
the 890 would be my choice.

Paul
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Schiller [mailto:r_schiller@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:42 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 890 or 960 to replace Epson 860?

I use an Epson 860 (4-color 8.5" versions of the venerable 1160) with Lyson
Quad tones inks.   I print to glossy paper as my images are sent to litho
duplicators.  I've noticed that the Black & White prints done on my Epson
870 (6-color) have smoother tonality in the mid-high to high tones.  To be
specific, the 860 seems to have an abrupt shift in this area, making very
light tones appear as white areas because the ever so slightly darker tones
are missing, which the 870 doesn't do.   But the 870 has the "greenies"
because I'm using the Epson inks.

Epson is selling refurbished the 890 and the 960.  The 960 uses separate
tanks and has 2 pico drops, the 890 is the 2880 version of the 870.   Lyson
inks are available for the 890, not the 960.

I'd appreciate any thoughts on which would be the better choice to replace
my 860.   Or does anyone know how to get smoother tonality on the 4-color
860?

thanks to all

Rick Schiller
www.rickschiller.com


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with the recent report, I would be hard pressed not to give the $150 
HP 7660 a closer look (the more expensive ones just have more "dummy 
features").

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Schiller" 
<r_schiller@c...> wrote:
> I use an Epson 860 (4-color 8.5" versions of the venerable 1160) 
with Lyson
> Quad tones inks.   I print to glossy paper as my images are sent to 
litho
> duplicators.  I've noticed that the Black & White prints done on my 
Epson
> 870 (6-color) have smoother tonality in the mid-high to high 
tones.  To be
> specific, the 860 seems to have an abrupt shift in this area, 
making very
> light tones appear as white areas because the ever so slightly 
darker tones
> are missing, which the 870 doesn't do.   But the 870 has 
the "greenies"
> because I'm using the Epson inks.
> 
> Epson is selling refurbished the 890 and the 960.  The 960 uses 
separate
> tanks and has 2 pico drops, the 890 is the 2880 version of the 
870.   Lyson
> inks are available for the 890, not the 960.
> 
> I'd appreciate any thoughts on which would be the better choice to 
replace
> my 860.   Or does anyone know how to get smoother tonality on the 4-
color

> 860?
> 
> thanks to all
> 
> Rick Schiller
> www.rickschiller.com

Rick,

I bought a new (not refurbished) Epson 890 printer at CompUSA a month 
ago for $99.  They have since dropped the price to $89.  The local 
store still had quite a few in stock.  It's a terrific bargain.

I bought the 890 for color printing and as an eventual B&W 
replacement for my venerable 980.

Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska

> Where did you find this on their web page?  I couldn't find it.

I bought it at the CompUSA retail store in Anchorage, not from the 
CompUSA website.  A month ago they had almost 40 of the 890 printers 
in stock at the Anchorage store.  Now I think they are down to about 
a dozen.

Gary

At 07:11 PM 1/30/04 +0000, you wrote:
Gary,

Where did you find this on their web page?  I couldn't find it.
Thanks,

AZ

>Rick,
>
>I bought a new (not refurbished) Epson 890 printer at CompUSA a month
>ago for $99.  They have since dropped the price to $89.  The local
>store still had quite a few in stock.  It's a terrific bargain.
>
>I bought the 890 for color printing and as an eventual B&W
>replacement for my venerable 980.
>
>Gary Benson
>Eagle River, Alaska
>
>
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