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Kokak's 100 Year Paper

Kokak's 100 Year Paper

2004-02-08 by Joe Davajon

More observations.....
First of all, one problem with Kodak's claim of 100 years for their new paper is 
that their testing criteria measures light fading and estimated print life at 120 
Lux at 12 hours a day.  In their white paper on this product, they state that 
twice the level of light results in a 50% reduction in the estimated print life.  
The American Meteorological Society's Glossary of Meteorology states:  "A 
level of illumination between 200 and 1000 lux is generally considered to be 
adequate for homes and offices.  

Secondly, in the premiere issue of "Great Output" a publication of the 
professional digital imaging association, an article by Dr. Ray Work entitled 
"Will My Inkjet Prints Last As Long As Traditional Photos:", the author 
interviews  Mr.Henry Wilhelm who explains that the light-stability test standard 
exposure is 450 lux for 12 hours a day which Wilhelm states would be the 
equivilent of a fairly brightly lit room.  Wilhelm states that almost every major 
manufacturer in the world uses almost exactly the same criteria.  If you factor 
in the Kodak's criteria, Wilhelm says, you would need to multiply all other 
manufacturers ratings by a factor of about 3.75 which would mean, to illustrate 
his point, that if Wilhelm rates a paper at 73 years, using Kodak's criteria you 
would get 273 years on that paper.  

So, if we take Kodak's paper rated at 100 years at 120 lux and double the light 
intensity to 240, we shorten Kodak's paper to 50 years.  Then, if we double the 
light intensity to 480 lux to match the usual manufacturer's standard, we 
shorten Kodak's paper's life to just 25 years.  Not so spectacular given the 
Wilhelm life estimates of a lot of other papers which exceed a mere 25 years.  

However, in all fairness to Kodak, we need to remember that Kodak's 
estimates are for prints unprotected by glass or plastic.  Protected, Kodak's 
paper may well last far longer than their estimates.  

Again, in fairness to Kodak, we need to also consider that they are talking 
about dye inks.  If we use the dye inks we save costs of ink, and we get a 
wider color spectrum.  Very desirable indeed!  

This is just one photographer's observation and I urge that some of the very 
knowlegeable photographers on this forum contribute their own observations.  

Joe D.

RE: [Digital BW] Kokak's 100 Year Paper

2004-02-08 by Paul Roark

Joe,

>Kodak's claim of 100 years for their new paper is 
>that their testing criteria measures light fading and estimated print 
>life at 120 Lux at 12 hours a day.  ...

>Wilhelm who explains that the light-stability test standard 
>exposure is 450 lux for 12 hours a day ...
>almost every major manufacturer in the world uses almost exactly 
>the same criteria.  

>...

Thanks for pointing that out.  

I'll start a test as soon as the samples arrive.  My tests may be simple,
but I think the comparisons are valid.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Kokak's 100 Year Paper

2004-02-09 by jneprichard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:

> 
> I'll start a test as soon as the samples arrive.  My tests may be 
simple,
> but I think the comparisons are valid.
> 
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Looking further on the Kodak site, on 
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/faqs/faq1512.shtml#g5, I found 
two interesting items concerning the (new?) Ultima paper.

"Can I expect longer lasting Inkjet Prints from my Inkjet printer 
when 
using the Kodak Ultima Picture Paper (High Gloss or Satin)? You can 
expect a print to last over 30 years when produced with the Kodak 
Personal Picture Maker 200 and 20 years when produced with the latest 
HP and EPSON printers."


"Why do prints last longer when they are made with the Kodak Personal 
Picture Maker? Print life is a combination of both the paper and the 
ink used to make the print. Kodak Ultima Picture Paper produces 
long-lasting prints on current HP and EPSON printers. However, the 
results are even better when you combine Kodak Ultima Picture Paper 
with the Kodak Personal Picture Maker 200 printer. The Kodak patented 
inks provide an extended print life of over 30 years when printed on 
Kodak Ultima Picture Paper."

So, is it 100 years, as claimed on the main Ultima page, or 20? 20 
would be more in line with (Wilhelm's) 450 lux standard. I guess 
we'll have to wait for the informal and formal tests.

Re: [Digital BW] Kokak's 100 Year Paper

2004-02-13 by chervinsky02144

Hi,

Where can I purchase this paper on-line or otherwise obtain it? 

Thanks,

-John Chervinsky



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul 
Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> >Kodak's claim of 100 years for their new paper is 
> >that their testing criteria measures light fading and estimated 
print 
> >life at 120 Lux at 12 hours a day.  ...
> 
> >Wilhelm who explains that the light-stability test standard 
> >exposure is 450 lux for 12 hours a day ...
> >almost every major manufacturer in the world uses almost 
exactly 
> >the same criteria.  
> 
> >...
> 
> Thanks for pointing that out.  
> 
> I'll start a test as soon as the samples arrive.  My tests may be 
simple,
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> but I think the comparisons are valid.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Kokak's 100 Year Paper

2004-02-13 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

chervinsky02144 wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Where can I purchase this paper on-line or otherwise obtain it? 
>
>  
>
I don't know about online. One of the members over on the EPSON list 
bought some..  I could ask him where, if you'd like?

He has said that Kodak's recommended settings are not enough, that the 
paper was very contrasty and that a custom profile would seem a necessity.

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

Re: [Digital BW] Kokak's 100 Year Paper

2004-02-14 by Mark Hahn

you can get pretty much anything you want from www.bhphotovideo.com

mark

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> >Where can I purchase this paper on-line or otherwise obtain it? 
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