Digital BW, The Print

First, to understand the relationship between InkJetMall and Cone 
Editions, read the first paragraph at:
http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/our-mission.html

Then see case #04-10148 at:
http://www.vtb.uscourts.gov/calendar/030904_11_r.html

Although this is a Chapter 11 filing (which allows for 
"reorganization"), if I was using Piezography B&W I might begin 
researching alternatives, just to be safe..

While I've had my run-ins with Jon, it's kinda sad to see a pioneer of 
monochrome inkjet printing biz in these straits.


 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"




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I have tried most of the coatings mentioned on this group, rod, aerosols,
and finally using the touch up sprayer.  I have had the very best success
with the gloss ClearJet Fine Arts for sprayers (Type S).  It is a solvent
based spray and of course you need to take the usual health care
precautions.  However, I am able to spray three ³heavy² glossy coats of this
stuff on and not see any buildup at all on Photorag, but they show good
abrasion resistance.  Company says it is formulated to penetrate and
protect.  The other sprays all dull the image or seem to lie on top of it.
I can¹t find any real test information in the usual places about the UV
protection of this coating though.  Does anyone know of any objective tests
for this coating?


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I would not only find an alternative but would seriously consider 
not ordering anything unless you can be guaranteed that they will 
not charge your credit card until the goods are literally on the 
truck on their way to you.

Joe


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V. 
Image Service" <editor@p...> wrote:
> 
> First, to understand the relationship between InkJetMall and Cone 
> Editions, read the first paragraph at:
> http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/our-mission.html
> 
> Then see case #04-10148 at:
> http://www.vtb.uscourts.gov/calendar/030904_11_r.html
> 
> Although this is a Chapter 11 filing (which allows for 
> "reorganization"), if I was using Piezography B&W I might begin 
> researching alternatives, just to be safe..
> 
> While I've had my run-ins with Jon, it's kinda sad to see a 
pioneer of 
> monochrome inkjet printing biz in these straits.
> 
> 
>  
> Keith Krebs
> 
> "Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON 
printer 
> User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
> Publications), at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
> and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
> "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks 
together 

> guys"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wow.  On the other hand, Chapter 11 reorgs can sometimes be an OK 
thing, if the business declaring bankruptcy continues to be operated 
by the creditors AND if the creditors keep the people who actually 
know the most about the business (i.e., Cone).  The business could (I 
said could) get an infusion of cash and be rejuvenated.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V. 
Image Service" <editor@p...> wrote:
> 
> First, to understand the relationship between InkJetMall and Cone 
> Editions, read the first paragraph at:
> http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/our-mission.html
> 
> Then see case #04-10148 at:
> http://www.vtb.uscourts.gov/calendar/030904_11_r.html
> 
> Although this is a Chapter 11 filing (which allows for 
> "reorganization"), if I was using Piezography B&W I might begin 
> researching alternatives, just to be safe..
> 
> While I've had my run-ins with Jon, it's kinda sad to see a pioneer 
of 
> monochrome inkjet printing biz in these straits.
> 
> 
>  
> Keith Krebs
> 
> "Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON 
printer 
> User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
> Publications), at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
> and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
> "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks 
together 

> guys"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Now that's an interesting point b/c, based on my limited knowledge of 
bankruptcy, you could be in a poor position vis-a-vis other creditors 
who have earlier claims than you (if you don't receive your order).

(I'm not a bankruptcy lawyer, though, so please don't take this as 
legal advice or even well-informed device)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" 
<drjoe2@c...> wrote:

> I would not only find an alternative but would seriously consider 
> not ordering anything unless you can be guaranteed that they will 
> not charge your credit card until the goods are literally on the 
> truck on their way to you.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V. 
> Image Service" <editor@p...> wrote:
> > 
> > First, to understand the relationship between InkJetMall and Cone 
> > Editions, read the first paragraph at:
> > http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/our-mission.html
> > 
> > Then see case #04-10148 at:
> > http://www.vtb.uscourts.gov/calendar/030904_11_r.html
> > 
> > Although this is a Chapter 11 filing (which allows for 
> > "reorganization"), if I was using Piezography B&W I might begin 
> > researching alternatives, just to be safe..
> > 
> > While I've had my run-ins with Jon, it's kinda sad to see a 
> pioneer of 
> > monochrome inkjet printing biz in these straits.
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Keith Krebs
> > 
> > "Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON 
> printer 
> > User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
> > Publications), at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
> > and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
> > "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks 
> together 
> > guys"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am not a bankruptcy lawyer either.  I would still be cautious 
however in turning over money to someone, company, whoever that is 
filing for bankruptcy.

Joe


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chipcarterdc" 
<chipcarterdc@h...> wrote:
> Now that's an interesting point b/c, based on my limited knowledge 
of 
> bankruptcy, you could be in a poor position vis-a-vis other 
creditors 
> who have earlier claims than you (if you don't receive your order).
> 
> (I'm not a bankruptcy lawyer, though, so please don't take this as 
> legal advice or even well-informed device)
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" 
> <drjoe2@c...> wrote:
> > I would not only find an alternative but would seriously 
consider 
> > not ordering anything unless you can be guaranteed that they 
will 
> > not charge your credit card until the goods are literally on the 
> > truck on their way to you.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor 
P.O.V. 
> > Image Service" <editor@p...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > First, to understand the relationship between InkJetMall and 
Cone 
> > > Editions, read the first paragraph at:
> > > http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/our-mission.html
> > > 
> > > Then see case #04-10148 at:
> > > http://www.vtb.uscourts.gov/calendar/030904_11_r.html
> > > 
> > > Although this is a Chapter 11 filing (which allows for 
> > > "reorganization"), if I was using Piezography B&W I might 
begin 
> > > researching alternatives, just to be safe..
> > > 
> > > While I've had my run-ins with Jon, it's kinda sad to see a 
> > pioneer of 
> > > monochrome inkjet printing biz in these straits.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > Keith Krebs
> > > 
> > > "Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON 
> > printer 
> > > User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
> > > Publications), at:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
> > > and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
> > > "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the 
rocks 

> > together 
> > > guys"
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I wouldn't worry too much about ordering from them currently, "If" 
you use a credit card; since credit card companies offer a level of 
insurance when ordering mail order.  If they charge your card and 
you don't recieve your order, you simply call the credit card 
company and dispute the charge.  The credit card company will 
usually go ahead and credit your account immediately and dispute the 
charge with the mail order company.  It is no big deal, I have done 
it many times and have never had any problems getting the issue 
resolved.  Using a credit card is the only way I will pay for any 
mail order item.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" 
<drjoe2@c...> wrote:
> I am not a bankruptcy lawyer either.  I would still be cautious 
> however in turning over money to someone, company, whoever that is 
> filing for bankruptcy.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chipcarterdc" 
> <chipcarterdc@h...> wrote:
> > Now that's an interesting point b/c, based on my limited 
knowledge 
> of 
> > bankruptcy, you could be in a poor position vis-a-vis other 
> creditors 
> > who have earlier claims than you (if you don't receive your 
order).
> > 
> > (I'm not a bankruptcy lawyer, though, so please don't take this 
as 
> > legal advice or even well-informed device)
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" 
> > <drjoe2@c...> wrote:
> > > I would not only find an alternative but would seriously 
> consider 
> > > not ordering anything unless you can be guaranteed that they 
> will 
> > > not charge your credit card until the goods are literally on 
the 
> > > truck on their way to you.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor 
> P.O.V. 
> > > Image Service" <editor@p...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > First, to understand the relationship between InkJetMall and 
> Cone 
> > > > Editions, read the first paragraph at:
> > > > http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/our-mission.html
> > > > 
> > > > Then see case #04-10148 at:
> > > > http://www.vtb.uscourts.gov/calendar/030904_11_r.html
> > > > 
> > > > Although this is a Chapter 11 filing (which allows for 
> > > > "reorganization"), if I was using Piezography B&W I might 
> begin 
> > > > researching alternatives, just to be safe..
> > > > 
> > > > While I've had my run-ins with Jon, it's kinda sad to see a 
> > > pioneer of 
> > > > monochrome inkjet printing biz in these straits.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > Keith Krebs
> > > > 
> > > > "Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON 
> > > printer 
> > > > User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and 
MegaDodo 
> > > > Publications), at:
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
> > > > and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community 
at:

> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
> > > > "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the 
> rocks 
> > > together 
> > > > guys"
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Keith,

> Although this is a Chapter 11 filing (which allows for
> "reorganization"), if I was using Piezography B&W I might begin
> researching alternatives, just to be safe..
> 
> While I've had my run-ins with Jon, it's kinda sad to see a pioneer of
> monochrome inkjet printing biz in these straits.
 
You certainly aren't the only one. I worked for a dealer that nearly had to
take Cone to court over 'unpleasant' business dealings. Apparently, there
were several others in the same boat.

He may be a pioneer, but I wouldn't touch him or his products with a ten
foot pole.

MIS on the other hand are great, honest people to deal with. They get my
business and respect.

Jon

I think a lot of people are rushing to judgement based on very little information. I don't 
profess to have any inside scoop but I do know I just ordered AND RECEIVED ink from IJM 
this very week. Also I'm not sure who, outside of E Topsham VT knows the specific 
financial relationship between Cone Editions and IJM. So let's chill a bit until some more 
info is made available (It keeps the blood pressure low :-)

amadou diallo

At 10:43 AM 2/12/04 -0800, you wrote:
>I have tried most of the coatings mentioned on this group, rod, aerosols,
>and finally using the touch up sprayer.  I have had the very best success
>with the gloss ClearJet Fine Arts for sprayers (Type S).  It is a solvent
>based spray and of course you need to take the usual health care
>precautions.  However, I am able to spray three ³heavy² glossy coats of this
>stuff on and not see any buildup at all on Photorag, but they show good
>abrasion resistance.  Company says it is formulated to penetrate and
>protect.  The other sprays all dull the image or seem to lie on top of it.
>I can¹t find any real test information in the usual places about the UV
>protection of this coating though.  Does anyone know of any objective tests
>for this coating?

J Vee
I looked on their web page and they don't have test info.  It looks like an 
excellent product though. They have a dealer locator.

http://www.clearstarcorp.com/clearjetfaq.asp

AZ

>> Cone Editions Press, Ltd. is seeking bankruptcy protection and
>> doing so from
>> a long-term, expensive litigation which it has been enduring in
>> California,

Funny, that other company wasn't complaining when it had to endure
'expensive litigation' in Vermont.

>> in an effort to stop the financial bleeding of the company, and

Read: 'we lost'.

Jon

I do really like the product and have used it extensively.  It makes me
nervous not to be able to find any tests on its archival usefullness though.
I don¹t really have room or facilities to set up a test, but maybe I will
try if no one knows of any studies.  J Vee


On 2/14/04 9:13 AM, "Alan Zinn" <AZinn@...> wrote:

> 
> J Vee
> I looked on their web page and they don't have test info.  It looks like an
> excellent product though. They have a dealer locator.
> 
> http://www.clearstarcorp.com/clearjetfaq.asp
> 
> AZ
> 
> 
> 
> 



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