Digital BW, The Print

I'm trying to install QTR-beta8 on Fedora Core 1.
DOwnloaded and installed  cups-config (it is now in /usr/bin/).

when trying to run make-quadtonerip I'm getting Error 127.
It looks like this (sorry for just retyping this, there must be a
better way, but I don't know it yet;)  :


[root@localhost QuadToneRIP2-beta]# sh make-quadtonerip
cc -g -0   -c -o gline.o gline.c
make: *** [gline.o] Error 127
cc -g -O -I. -DQUADPATH=\"`cups-config --datadir`\"   -c -o
quadraster.o quadraster.c
/bin/sh: line 1" cc: command not found
make: *** [quadraster.o] Error127
[root@localhost QuadToneRIP2-beta]#


Anybody installed this version of QTR on Core 1 ?

Thanks,

Roman

On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 21:16, romanatybwg wrote:
> I'm trying to install QTR-beta8 on Fedora Core 1.
> DOwnloaded and installed  cups-config (it is now in /usr/bin/).
> 
> when trying to run make-quadtonerip I'm getting Error 127.
> It looks like this (sorry for just retyping this, there must be a
> better way, but I don't know it yet;)  :
> 
> 
> [root@localhost QuadToneRIP2-beta]# sh make-quadtonerip
> cc -g -0   -c -o gline.o gline.c
> make: *** [gline.o] Error 127
> cc -g -O -I. -DQUADPATH=\"`cups-config --datadir`\"   -c -o
> quadraster.o quadraster.c
> /bin/sh: line 1" cc: command not found
> make: *** [quadraster.o] Error127
> [root@localhost QuadToneRIP2-beta]#
> 
> 
> Anybody installed this version of QTR on Core 1 ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roman
> 
> You need to load cups-devel which contains cups-config. Fedora doesn't
> load cups-config when it is installed and which is necessary for the
> make and install commands. You can find it on any of the fedora
> mirrors. Load the rpm and then rerun the make-quadtonerip and
> install-quadtonerip comands. While you are at it, you might want to
> get the beta9 version of QTR. It can be installed over the beta8
> version with no problem.

Roger

Roger, thank you for responding.

As I mentioned in my msg I downloaded and installed cups-devel without
a glich. cups-config shows up in /usr/bin/ and when I tried to install
it again I got a message that 'package cups-devel-1.1.19 is already
installed'.
I also switched to beta9 to see if it make a difference (I used 8 just
to loow the instructions to a tee :). It didn't.

Anything else comes to mind ?

Roman



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roger L Sopher
<rlsopher@c...> wrote:

> On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 21:16, romanatybwg wrote:
> > I'm trying to install QTR-beta8 on Fedora Core 1.
> > DOwnloaded and installed  cups-config (it is now in /usr/bin/).
> > 
> > when trying to run make-quadtonerip I'm getting Error 127.
> > It looks like this (sorry for just retyping this, there must be a
> > better way, but I don't know it yet;)  :
> > 
> > 
> > [root@localhost QuadToneRIP2-beta]# sh make-quadtonerip
> > cc -g -0   -c -o gline.o gline.c
> > make: *** [gline.o] Error 127
> > cc -g -O -I. -DQUADPATH=\"`cups-config --datadir`\"   -c -o
> > quadraster.o quadraster.c
> > /bin/sh: line 1" cc: command not found
> > make: *** [quadraster.o] Error127
> > [root@localhost QuadToneRIP2-beta]#
> > 
> > 
> > Anybody installed this version of QTR on Core 1 ?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Roman
> > 
> > You need to load cups-devel which contains cups-config. Fedora doesn't
> > load cups-config when it is installed and which is necessary for the
> > make and install commands. You can find it on any of the fedora
> > mirrors. Load the rpm and then rerun the make-quadtonerip and
> > install-quadtonerip comands. While you are at it, you might want to
> > get the beta9 version of QTR. It can be installed over the beta8
> > version with no problem.
> 
> Roger

On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 07:24, romanatybwg wrote:
> Roger, thank you for responding.
> 
> As I mentioned in my msg I downloaded and installed cups-devel without
Sorry, I went right by the cups-devel part of your message -early
morning, old eyes. That is the usual hang up at the stage of
installation you are stuck at.

error code 127 is "command not found"  and often is due to a problem
with the path. It looks like the script is trying to do the first
command "cd CurveSrc ; make" and can't find something. 

I am currently running QTR on fedora and it is working although there
are a couple of tweaks that were necessary once the installation is
completed. I've reinstalled the whole thing linux and all several times
because I was having a problem with the way it handled the  USB bus,
Probably a quirk with my motherboard, but I haven't had a problem in
getting QTR installed. 

Try reinstalling QTR from /usr/share if you haven't done so. That might
fix any broken parts.

 Fedora has a number of strange quirks compared to the more stable red
hat 9 and they have diddled around with the contents of some packages.  

As much of a pain in the rear as it might be, sometimes reinstalling
Linux will solve problems that don't make sense.

Roger

At 07:24 AM 2/19/2004, you wrote:
> > > /bin/sh: line 1" cc: command not found

It appears that "cc" , i.e., the C compiler is not installed. When you 
installed your Linux distribution, did you elect to install the development 
tools? If not, go back and add them. The QTR installation process actually 
compiles the code, so you need the C compiler and other development tools.

Stan

================================
Photography by Stan McQueen
http://www.smcqueen.com

I'm on my third Fedora reinstall, this time with no glitches.
I also reinstalled QTR (this time beta9 per your suggestion) to no avail.

Is there a trace I can activate to have a closer look at the
make-quadtonerip progress ?
Anything else I should verify ?

thanks again,

Roman

-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roger L Sopher
<rlsopher@c...> wrote:
...
> Try reinstalling QTR from /usr/share if you haven't done so. That might
> fix any broken parts.

On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 09:01, Stan McQueen wrote:
> At 07:24 AM 2/19/2004, you wrote:
> > > > /bin/sh: line 1" cc: command not found
> 
> It appears that "cc" , i.e., the C compiler is not installed. When you
> installed your Linux distribution, did you elect to install the
> development 
> tools? If not, go back and add them. The QTR installation process
> actually 
> compiles the code, so you need the C compiler and other development
> tools.
> 
> Stan

Yo soy baboso...

Of course. I automatically install the c compiler when I load Linux and
assumed that others would as well. The old assume = makes an ass of u
and me is still viable.

Roger

Roger and Stan, it's assme not assume :)

I thought I installed cc but it was late last night...

The rest of the install went well with the exception of
Run-Install-Curves. Instead of opening a teminal to accept my 'enter'
it opened/closes terminal very quickly - I'm affraid that this step
was not completed successfully. Any way to verify the installation of
the curve in a proper printer folder ?

Another issue is qtcups. It seems no longer supported and available
for download. What other command line utilities are found to do a job ?

I tried to use a graphical print manager. The job sent to the QUAD
printer dissapeared into thin air. QUAD printer configuration in tn
graphical print manager shows 'Unable to write raster data to driver!'
Is it notmal because another printer utility should be used or is it a
reflection of a problem I mention on top of this message.

BTW, you guys are great. What a resource !
Also I don't want to polute this newsgroup with questions whith silly
problems not of a general interst. Should I go about getting help with
this in any other way ?

Thanks

Roman

> 
> Yo soy baboso...
> 
> Of course. I automatically install the c compiler when I load Linux and
> assumed that others would as well. The old assume = makes an ass of u
> and me is still viable.
> 
> Roger

On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 12:50, romanatybwg wrote:
> Roger and Stan, it's assme not assume :)
> 
> I thought I installed cc but it was late last night...
> 
> The rest of the install went well with the exception of
> Run-Install-Curves. Instead of opening a teminal to accept my 'enter'
> it opened/closes terminal very quickly - I'm affraid that this step
> was not completed successfully. Any way to verify the installation of
> the curve in a proper printer folder ?
> 
> Another issue is qtcups. It seems no longer supported and available
> for download. What other command line utilities are found to do a job
> ?
> 
> I tried to use a graphical print manager. The job sent to the QUAD
> printer dissapeared into thin air. QUAD printer configuration in tn
> graphical print manager shows 'Unable to write raster data to driver!'
> Is it notmal because another printer utility should be used or is it a
> reflection of a problem I mention on top of this message.
> 
I mentioned that there were a couple of tweaks that are needed in Fedora
- this is one of them. The people that put fedora together substituted
redhat-config-printers for lpadmin in the cups rpm. Roy's install curves
script calls another script, quadcurves, that needs lpadmin. The work
around is to install the curves in the ppd manually.  Sounds worse than
it is. That section of the ppd after I manually entered the curves for
my printer looks like:

*OpenUI *ripCurve1/QuadTone RIP Curve 1: PickOne
*OrderDependency: 20 AnySetup *ripCurve1
*DefaultripCurve1: -
*ripCurve1 -/None: ""
*ripCurve1 860-vm-cal-gray-calib: ""
*ripCurve1 860-vm-cal-toned-calib: ""
*ripCurve1 860-vm-gray: ""
*ripCurve1 860-vm-toned: ""
*CloseUI: *ripCurve1

*OpenUI *ripCurve2/QuadTone RIP Curve 2: PickOne
*OrderDependency: 20 AnySetup *ripCurve2
*DefaultripCurve2: -
*ripCurve2 -/None: ""
*ripCurve2 860-vm-cal-gray-calib: ""
*ripCurve2 860-vm-cal-toned-calib: ""
*ripCurve2 860-vm-gray: ""
*ripCurve2 860-vm-toned: ""
*CloseUI: *ripCurve2

Now, once you manually enter your curve(s), running run-quadprofile will
put any additional curves you may come up with where they belong in the
ppd.

Once you have the curves loaded into the ppd then you go to webmin and
select the curves. Only do it once. If you do it a second time it will
go out and bring in the unmodified ppd and the curves won't show up. Not
a major problem since they can be brought back by running
run-quadprofile and reentering one of your curves.

Printing can be done a couple of different ways. The easiest is to use a
command line script. Dave Wroblewski has QPR in the files section of the
B&W print and it works well. You will have to edit the printer name and
curve names but that is fairly straight forward. I am working on a
second approach printing from photoshop but there are still a couple of
bugs that need to be solved.

Roger

thanks Roger.
making progress here. I assume (bad word again) that the modification
had to be made to create-quadtoneppd.command in PPDs folder.

I've done this andran Run-Quad_profile again, dropped the curve in the
terminal window - all ok.

Not sure if I was supposed to run Run-Install-Curves also. 

Ran Webmin but the curves I enterd are not showing up in the driver
for my printer- don't know if it's normal.


I modified David Wroblewski script, runs fine and I got something
printed, didn't examine for the quality 'cause I used cheap papeDoes
the fact that something got printed indicate that some curves are
loaded ? If yes, which since I don't see them in Webmin.

We  are getting close ?

Roman 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roger L Sopher
<rlsopher@c...> wrote:

> . . . .
> *ripCurve2 860-vm-cal-toned-calib: ""
> *ripCurve2 860-vm-gray: ""
> *ripCurve2 860-vm-toned: ""
> *CloseUI: *ripCurve2
> 
> Now, once you manually enter your curve(s), running run-quadprofile will
> put any additional curves you may come up with where they belong in the
> ppd.
> 
> Once you have the curves loaded into the ppd then you go to webmin and
> select the curves. Only do it once. If you do it a second time it will
> go out and bring in the unmodified ppd and the curves won't show up. Not
> a major problem since they can be brought back by running
> run-quadprofile and reentering one of your curves.
> 
> Printing can be done a couple of different ways. The easiest is to use a
> command line script. Dave Wroblewski has QPR in the files section of the
> B&W print and it works well. You will have to edit the printer name and
> curve names but that is fairly straight forward. I am working on a
> second approach printing from photoshop but there are still a couple of
> bugs that need to be solved.
> 
> Roger

On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 17:05, romanatybwg wrote:
> thanks Roger.
> making progress here. I assume (bad word again) that the modification
> had to be made to create-quadtoneppd.command in PPDs folder.
> 
> I've done this andran Run-Quad_profile again, dropped the curve in the
> terminal window - all ok.
> 
> Not sure if I was supposed to run Run-Install-Curves also. 
> 
> Ran Webmin but the curves I enterd are not showing up in the driver
> for my printer- don't know if it's normal.
> 
> 
> I modified David Wroblewski script, runs fine and I got something
> printed, didn't examine for the quality 'cause I used cheap papeDoes
> the fact that something got printed indicate that some curves are
> loaded ? If yes, which since I don't see them in Webmin.
> 
> We  are getting close ?
> 
> Roman 
run-install-curves is not functional because of the lpadmin problem  so
you don't need to run it. 

sounds like you are really close.

Just checking but What was needed is to add the curves using a text
editor such as gedit to the ppd for your printer. The ppd lives in
/etc/cups/ppd and will be the name of your printer dot ppd eg
Quad860.ppd   You will need to log on as root to change it. The changes
start about line 326 (at least for my printer). Once the changes are in
the ppd you should see the name of curves instead of none when you look
at the values in webmin.

Try printing an image of about 9.5 X 7 using QPR. If it prints on one
page I think you are home free. Check it with a loupe and make sure that
the light gray areas are dot free.

What printer and inkset are you using?

Roger

I'm up and running :)
The first image was not up to high standards yet (microbanding in 
the  shadows and midtones, two areas when the tonal transitions are 
not smooth etc) but I need to start tweeking before the results are 
in.

I run 1160 with UT, for now regular blck (not Eboni) and Epson 
Premium glossy paper.

I have a set of test prints on the 1160 of the same image 
(clockgradient.jpg - neat thing to show hickups in tonal transitions) 
produced on the same printer with Paul Roark's curves and PS.

I also have a test print of the same image from the 2200 with 
ImagePrint with PhotoK in gray mode. Sorry to say it but in terms of 
smoothness of tonal transitions the 2200/IP is a standard I'm trying 
to match. I'm not sure if the 1160 curves provided int the QTR zip 
file are appropriate for glossy papers.

Again, thanks a lot for helping me with this. 
If you have any suggestions related to how to optimize my setup it 
would be great.

Roman


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roger L Sopher 
<rlsopher@c...> wrote:

. . . . 

> page I think you are home free. Check it with a loupe and make sure 
that

> the light gray areas are dot free.
> 
> What printer and inkset are you using?
> 
> Roger