Digital BW, The Print

I recently purchased and installed IP 5.6 on my Win 2000 PC, and am 
using it successfully to print very impressive images with my Epson 
2200. But one problem is driving me crazy. I print many 8"x8" images 
on 8.5"x11" (letter size) paper. When I select Letter Size paper in 
IP, I get a frame whose dimensions are "usually" 8.25"x10.25". If I 
create a user defined paper size, specifying 8.75"x11.75", 
I "usually" get a frame that is 8.5"x11". I have to say usually 
because I sometimes get even more strange dimensions. But regardless 
of the size I specify, or the displayed dimensions of the box, I am 
unable to get a print centered, no matter what combinations of right-
clicking or borderless or other settings I select.

This behaviour is so damaging to normal layout expectations, that I 
am sure it couldn't be a bug that Colorbyte has left un-fixed. It 
must be cockpit error (and I'm the hapless pilot).

So: Simple question: How do I get a centered print on 8.5"x11" paper? 
It can't be this difficult!

Kiefer Elliott
Vancouver, Canada

Kiefer,

I had the same problem recently.  Selecting "user defined" always 
gives a slightly bigger box on the screen (although I too 
experienced some of the funky sizes you explained a couple of 
times).  I'm guessing this is because they pad the dimensions 
assuming borders.  Anyway, the way I solved this was:

1) Import photo, right-click on the photo and select "center region".

2) Select "file->print" from ImagePrint.  The "print dialog" box 
pops up.  Click on "options", and for the The Epson 2200 their are 
two options, "borderless" and "center margins".  Select both (If you 
then click on "apply" these should stay as the defaults, so you 
don't have to repeat this step for subsequent prints).

This seems to do the trick for me, and I get perfectly centered 
prints on all papers (4x6, 5x7, 8.5 x 11) I use.  

Also, maybe try "user-defined" for your 8.75 x 11.75, and then save 
it if this works.  I just tried this and my frame size was about 9 x 
12, which seems about right, since it is slightly bigger than the 
input values (consistent with the slightly larger frame-size for all 
other defined sizes).

Brian


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DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "slightlyoutoffocus" 
<by_design@y...> wrote:
> I recently purchased and installed IP 5.6 on my Win 2000 PC, and 
am 
> using it successfully to print very impressive images with my 
Epson 
> 2200. But one problem is driving me crazy. I print many 8"x8" 
images 
> on 8.5"x11" (letter size) paper. When I select Letter Size paper 
in 
> IP, I get a frame whose dimensions are "usually" 8.25"x10.25". If 
I 
> create a user defined paper size, specifying 8.75"x11.75", 
> I "usually" get a frame that is 8.5"x11". I have to say usually 
> because I sometimes get even more strange dimensions. But 
regardless 
> of the size I specify, or the displayed dimensions of the box, I 
am 
> unable to get a print centered, no matter what combinations of 
right-
> clicking or borderless or other settings I select.
> 
> This behaviour is so damaging to normal layout expectations, that 
I 
> am sure it couldn't be a bug that Colorbyte has left un-fixed. It 
> must be cockpit error (and I'm the hapless pilot).
> 
> So: Simple question: How do I get a centered print on 8.5"x11" 
paper? 

> It can't be this difficult!
> 
> Kiefer Elliott
> Vancouver, Canada

Thanks Brian, that does the trick.  Funny though, I had to do this 
twice before it worked.  The first time the print was still way off, 
but the box had magically resized itself to 8.75x11.25 (selecting 
Letter paper), dimensions I have never seen before.  However, when I 
follow your instructions, the image seems perfectely centered in the 
box and prints perfectly centered as well.  ImagePrint sure is a 
flakey piece of software!

Kiefer

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "BluesVan" 
<BluesVan@a...> wrote:
> Kiefer,
> 
> I had the same problem recently.  Selecting "user defined" always 
> gives a slightly bigger box on the screen (although I too 
> experienced some of the funky sizes you explained a couple of 
> times).  I'm guessing this is because they pad the dimensions 
> assuming borders.  Anyway, the way I solved this was:
> 
> 1) Import photo, right-click on the photo and select "center 
region".
> 
> 2) Select "file->print" from ImagePrint.  The "print dialog" box 
> pops up.  Click on "options", and for the The Epson 2200 their are 
> two options, "borderless" and "center margins".  Select both (If 
you 
> then click on "apply" these should stay as the defaults, so you 
> don't have to repeat this step for subsequent prints).
> 
> This seems to do the trick for me, and I get perfectly centered 
> prints on all papers (4x6, 5x7, 8.5 x 11) I use.  
> 
> Also, maybe try "user-defined" for your 8.75 x 11.75, and then save 
> it if this works.  I just tried this and my frame size was about 9 
x 
> 12, which seems about right, since it is slightly bigger than the 
> input values (consistent with the slightly larger frame-size for 
all 

> other defined sizes).
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "slightlyoutoffocus" 
> <by_design@y...> wrote:
> > I recently purchased and installed IP 5.6 on my Win 2000 PC, and 
> am 
> > using it successfully to print very impressive images with my 
> Epson 
> > 2200. But one problem is driving me crazy. I print many 8"x8" 
> images 
> > on 8.5"x11" (letter size) paper. When I select Letter Size paper 
> in 
> > IP, I get a frame whose dimensions are "usually" 8.25"x10.25". If 
> I 
> > create a user defined paper size, specifying 8.75"x11.75", 
> > I "usually" get a frame that is 8.5"x11". I have to say usually 
> > because I sometimes get even more strange dimensions. But 
> regardless 
> > of the size I specify, or the displayed dimensions of the box, I 
> am 
> > unable to get a print centered, no matter what combinations of 
> right-
> > clicking or borderless or other settings I select.
> > 
> > This behaviour is so damaging to normal layout expectations, that 
> I 
> > am sure it couldn't be a bug that Colorbyte has left un-fixed. It 
> > must be cockpit error (and I'm the hapless pilot).
> > 
> > So: Simple question: How do I get a centered print on 8.5"x11" 
> paper? 
> > It can't be this difficult!
> > 
> > Kiefer Elliott
> > Vancouver, Canada