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Betr.: RE: [Digital BW] new UT EZ inks for C84 printers

2004-02-24 by Casper Cammeraat

Hello all,

Recently I bought the C 84 printer, and I can assure you that it prints
BO very well with the original Epson ink (and it is really black only,
no underprinting) The D-max on Photorag is 1.60-1.62. Even on pretty
cheap( 200 sheets for $30) 160grs mat paper the same D-max is reached.

greetings,

Casper Cammeraat
Teammanager dept of Optical Technology
National Library of the Netherlands


>>> paul.roark@... 23-02-2004 17:43:05 >>>
Ed,

The "EZ" C82/84 inks assume no profiles or anything.  That is, they
were
aimed at novices who would not do anything to their systems.  So, I'd
use
"same as source" with a file that has not embedded profile.

The "warm" is un-toned carbon.  If you want a tone between neutral and
carbon, you can, for example, stick a warm cart in the yellow position.
 If
you do this you must use a grayscale file to print from.

The C82 worked best with EEM and PhotoRag because of the good dmax
these
papers have.  A "problem" with the C82 was that it under-printed the
100%
black with some color inkset.  This made for smoother transitions but
lowered the dmax.  Whether this is still true with the C84 is unknown.
Someone sent me a dmax reading that may indicate the C84 has a better
dmax.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ 
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-----Original Message-----
From: edrudolpho [mailto:erudolph@...] 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:16 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [Digital BW] new UT EZ inks for C84 printers

Hi all, I've just ordered a set of the EZ B&W UT inks to use with an
Epson
C84 printer 
that I got for free when I bought a computer recently.  Here is the
info
from the MIS 
website:

"There are 2 inksets for the Epson C82 (&C84) , a warm set (EZW) and a
neutral set 
(EZN).  Both make beautiful prints with out  any workflow whatsoever. 
This
means 
that all you have to do is install the cartridges in the printer and 
print.
There are no 
adjustments required, no curves to fuss with, and any software that
can
print an 
image can be used. The images can be in color or grayscale, it does
not
matter.  Of 
course you will need some fine art paper and you have to print in the
Best
Photo 
mode with no color adjustment.  It is Easy to make great looking B&W
archival quality 
prints.  Matte and glossy prints can be created by selecting either an
Eboni
black 
cartridge, for matte prints, or the Photo Black cartridge for glossy
prints.
The 
Ultratone CMY cartridges work on both types of media. The inks were
optimized for 
Hahnamuhle Photo Rag paper.  Other papers may produce different
results."

My questions:  what Proof Setup, if any, would you use in PS7 or CS? 
Would
you send 
the images to the printer with the Printer Space set to Same As
Source?

Thanks for any info
Ed 




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Re: Betr.: RE: [Digital BW] new UT EZ inks for C84 printers

2004-02-24 by edrudolpho

Hi Casper... I wish I could get it to do true BO printing using the Macintosh OS X 
driver.  It seems to me that it is using the color cartridges as well as the black.  This 
would be using the 1.6bA driver for the Mac.

Ed

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Casper Cammeraat" 
<Casper.Cammeraat@k...> wrote:
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> Hello all,
> 
> Recently I bought the C 84 printer, and I can assure you that it prints
> BO very well with the original Epson ink (and it is really black only,
> no underprinting) The D-max on Photorag is 1.60-1.62. Even on pretty
> cheap( 200 sheets for $30) 160grs mat paper the same D-max is reached.
> 
> greetings,
> 
> Casper Cammeraat
> Teammanager dept of Optical Technology
> National Library of the Netherlands
>

Re: Betr.: RE: [Digital BW] new UT EZ inks for C84 printers

2004-02-24 by Carl Schofield

Ed,

Did you have any success getting the R800 to print BO?

Carl
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On Tuesday, February 24, 2004, at 10:55  AM, edrudolpho wrote:

> Hi Casper... I wish I could get it to do true BO printing using the  
> Macintosh OS X
> driver.  It seems to me that it is using the color cartridges as well  
> as the black.  This
> would be using the 1.6bA driver for the Mac.
>
> Ed
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Casper Cammeraat"
> <Casper.Cammeraat@k...> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Recently I bought the C 84 printer, and I can assure you that it  
>> prints
>> BO very well with the original Epson ink (and it is really black only,
>> no underprinting) The D-max on Photorag is 1.60-1.62. Even on pretty
>> cheap( 200 sheets for $30) 160grs mat paper the same D-max is reached.
>>
>> greetings,
>>
>> Casper Cammeraat
>> Teammanager dept of Optical Technology
>> National Library of the Netherlands
>>
>
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Re: Betr.: RE: [Digital BW] new UT EZ inks for C84 printers

2004-02-24 by edrudolpho

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl 
Schofield <scho@m...> wrote:
> Ed,
> 
> Did you have any success getting the R800 to print BO?
> 
> Carl

no carl.... it really does not print using only the black cartridge.  
with some trepidation i called epson support, not expecting 
much.  the young support person was pleasant and logged all 
my "wishes."  wish for black only printing, wish for epson gray 
scale ink set, wish for an auto function under the gloss optimizer 
menu so that you can economize on gloss cartridge when 
printing small images on full size sheets of paper.

for the moment, i'm waiting for a scanner to arrive and have 
decided not to scan any more negatives on the old flat bed at 
work.  in this interim, i've experimented a little bit with using 
duo/tri/quadtone curves through photoshop to alter the grayscale 
characteristics slightly. 

ed

Re: Betr.: RE: [Digital BW] new UT EZ inks for C84 printers

2004-02-24 by Carl Schofield

That is disappointing.  I was looking forward to seeing a BO print from 
a machine capable of putting out 1.5 pl drops.  Are you experimenting 
with duotones because the R800 has the usual metamerism problems when 
attempting to print a neutral gray with all of the color inks?
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On Tuesday, February 24, 2004, at 03:40  PM, edrudolpho wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl
> Schofield <scho@m...> wrote:
>> Ed,
>>
>> Did you have any success getting the R800 to print BO?
>>
>> Carl
>
> no carl.... it really does not print using only the black cartridge.
> with some trepidation i called epson support, not expecting
> much.  the young support person was pleasant and logged all
> my "wishes."  wish for black only printing, wish for epson gray
> scale ink set, wish for an auto function under the gloss optimizer
> menu so that you can economize on gloss cartridge when
> printing small images on full size sheets of paper.
>
> for the moment, i'm waiting for a scanner to arrive and have
> decided not to scan any more negatives on the old flat bed at
> work.  in this interim, i've experimented a little bit with using
> duo/tri/quadtone curves through photoshop to alter the grayscale
> characteristics slightly.
>
> ed
>

Re: Betr.: RE: [Digital BW] new UT EZ inks for C84 printers

2004-02-24 by edrudolpho

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl 
Schofield <scho@m...> wrote:
> That is disappointing.  I was looking forward to seeing a BO 
print from 
> a machine capable of putting out 1.5 pl drops.  Are you 
experimenting 
> with duotones because the R800 has the usual metamerism 
problems when 
> attempting to print a neutral gray with all of the color inks?

It's not all that bad.  However, I was accustomed to Black only 
printing, and so I'm horsing around to see what can be done... 
while waiting for there to be improved alternatives :-)

Re: Betr.: RE: [Digital BW] new UT EZ inks for C84 printers

2004-02-25 by caspercammeraat

-
Hello Ed,
I work with a PC + Windows XP Prof. I suppose you did look in the 
advanced section? Not all the combinations of papersetting & 
resolution give the possibility to print BO. My settings are:  matte 
paper heavy weight, best photo, black ink only. (they may be a bit 
different in English, my installation was in dutch language).

best regards,

Casper Cammeraat 

-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "edrudolpho" 
<erudolph@p...> wrote:
> Hi Casper... I wish I could get it to do true BO printing using the 
Macintosh OS X 
> driver.  It seems to me that it is using the color cartridges as 
well as the black.  This 
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> would be using the 1.6bA driver for the Mac.
> 
> Ed
> 
>

Re: Betr.: RE: [Digital BW] new UT EZ inks for C84 printers

2004-02-25 by edrudolpho

thank you, casper.

ed

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "caspercammeraat" 
<Casper.Cammeraat@k...> wrote:
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> -
> Hello Ed,
> I work with a PC + Windows XP Prof. I suppose you did look in the 
> advanced section? Not all the combinations of papersetting & 
> resolution give the possibility to print BO. My settings are:  matte 
> paper heavy weight, best photo, black ink only. (they may be a bit 
> different in English, my installation was in dutch language).
> 
> best regards,
> 
> Casper Cammeraat 
>

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