Digital BW, The Print

Okay everyone. Some house cleaning chores.

If you check back through the list, some of the subject headers are 
rather cryptic or have become so. Even I, who have read all the posts 
am hard put to look back and figure out what some of them are about.

This is a self-moderated list so please moderate you subject headers.

Subject headers should be:

1.) Concise.

2.) A close description of the topic you are addressing.

3.) Update thread subject lines as the subject shifts or a sub-topic 
is split off.

No one wants to have to have to open a message to order to find out 
what it is really about nor do they want to open a message only to 
find out it has nothing to do with what was in the subject line.

So please check your subject lines before you hit that send button. 
Your help in this regard will be greatly appreciated and make the 
archive a useable place to search for information.

Thanks,
Martin

Additional note on subject lines.

PLEASE DO NOT USE SPECIAL CHARACTERS IN SUBJECT LINES.

Unfortunately special characters also include many standard European 
characters that are not included in the American alphabet. My 
apologies to our many non-U.S. group members. Using special 
characters in the body of the message does not appear to be a problem.

Some folks have written very nice subject lines such as:

Re: Hahnemühle in Los Angeles, CA:Freestyle

Which when displayed on the group homepage (not on e-mailed posts 
fortunately) are rendered by Yahoo for reasons unknown as:

RE:_=5BDigital_BW=5D_Re:_Hahnem=FC 

Basically the "ü" causes Yahoo to lose it's mind and to start 
substituting garbage. (Perhaps the hexadecimal values for the special 
character(s)?)

Your patience is greatly appreciated.

Martin


(see earlier)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
 
> PLEASE DO NOT USE SPECIAL CHARACTERS IN SUBJECT LINES.

> Unfortunately special characters also include many standard 
> European characters that are not included in the American alphabet
> Re: Hahnemühle in Los Angeles, CA:Freestyle
> Which when displayed on the group homepage (not on e-mailed posts 
> fortunately) are rendered by Yahoo 
> RE:_=5BDigital_BW=5D_Re:_Hahnem=FC  
> Basically the "ü" causes Yahoo to lose it's mind and to start 
> substituting garbage. > Martin


Martin,
it is a crux with the German "Umlaute" ä, ö, ü.
Unfortunately the ü occurs in the Hahnemühle brand, so many Headers 
in this and other lists are corrupted.
In Germany we would avoid the problem by changing the 

ä to ae
ö to oe
ü to ue

But the American list members seem to prefer to skip the e.
So there are two possible variations to avoid the "Umlaut"-problem in 
spelling Hahnemühle (ore others) in headers:
1. Hahnemuhle (American)
2. Hahnemuehle (German).

To keep the archives searchable, which one shall we use???

Bernd

Bernd,

I think that we best go with the Hahnemuhle spelling at this point 
since we have already gone down that road.

A test search on the list using "Hahnemuhle" turns up about a page of 
posts while "Hahnemühle" and "Hahnemuehle" give no results.

I would complain to Yahoo except they don't seem to have a adress to 
complain to. The entire thing is ridiculuous since they have Yahoo 
home pages in several European countries that appear to use these 
characters without a problem.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., ruhrfoto@y... wrote:
(snip earlier)

> Martin,
> it is a crux with the German "Umlaute" ä, ö, ü.
> Unfortunately the ü occurs in the Hahnemühle brand, so many Headers 
> in this and other lists are corrupted.
> In Germany we would avoid the problem by changing the 
> 
> ä to ae
> ö to oe
> ü to ue
> 
> But the American list members seem to prefer to skip the e.
> So there are two possible variations to avoid the "Umlaut"-problem 
in 

> spelling Hahnemühle (ore others) in headers:
> 1. Hahnemuhle (American)
> 2. Hahnemuehle (German).
> 
> To keep the archives searchable, which one shall we use???
> 
> Bernd