Digital BW, The Print

I've been asked to get a dummy book together for a book proposal. I'd like
to bind it as much as possible like a published book, rather than some nasty
kinko's office presentation type thing. I saw a binding machine at the
Javits center photo show last year which I plan to buy later, but it's $450
and I don't want to lay that out right now to just do one book. Does anyone
know of a business that does perfect binding (i.e. I give them stack of
loose prints and they put them in a cover). I don't need anything fancy,
just 8 1/2"x11" landscape orientation, hardcover with a cloth covering. Any
leads greatly appreciated.

---
Anton Young
www.antonyoung.com

Anton,

Call Mark at CT Photo an ask him. Here is his website http://www.ctphoto.com
He has lots to offer Not sure on binding but worth a try.

Good Luck
Jim Doyle


J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
114 Old Orchard Rd.
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
856-424-8660
http://www.shadesofpaper.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Anton Young [mailto:anton@...]
  Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:47 PM
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  Subject: [Digital BW] Slightly OT: Binding prints into a book


  I've been asked to get a dummy book together for a book proposal. I'd like
  to bind it as much as possible like a published book, rather than some
nasty
  kinko's office presentation type thing. I saw a binding machine at the
  Javits center photo show last year which I plan to buy later, but it's
$450
  and I don't want to lay that out right now to just do one book. Does
anyone
  know of a business that does perfect binding (i.e. I give them stack of
  loose prints and they put them in a cover). I don't need anything fancy,
  just 8 1/2"x11" landscape orientation, hardcover with a cloth covering.
Any
  leads greatly appreciated.

  ---
  Anton Young
  www.antonyoung.com




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How about an Apple iPhoto book? Also there is 
http://www.mypublisher.com/default.php

Mark

Also Sony (imagestation) has an online book.
http://www.imagestation.com/shop/product/photobook/?_cart_=1075973803

Jake

Fine Art Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mark Savoia [mailto:mark@...]


  How about an Apple iPhoto book? Also there is 
  http://www.mypublisher.com/default.php

  Mark



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I'm not sure where you're located but these folks are in Princeton. I
haven't used them 
yet myself but bookmarked their page a while ago when I was looking
for custom 
binding options too.

http://www.thesisbookbinding.com/index.html

A Google search might turn up other such places as well.

Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Anton Young 
<anton@m...> wrote:
> I've been asked to get a dummy book together for a book proposal. 
I'd like
> to bind it as much as possible like a published book, rather than 
some nasty
> kinko's office presentation type thing. I saw a binding machine at 
the
> Javits center photo show last year which I plan to buy later, but 
it's $450
> and I don't want to lay that out right now to just do one book. 
Does anyone
> know of a business that does perfect binding (i.e. I give them 
stack of
> loose prints and they put them in a cover). I don't need anything 
fancy,
> just 8 1/2"x11" landscape orientation, hardcover with a cloth 
covering. Any
> leads greatly appreciated.
> 
> ---
> Anton Young
> www.antonyoung.com


Hi Anton - do this a lot and have bound four or five books of my B&W 
prints so far, a nice coffee table collection!
There are a number of ways of doing this - none are really perfect.  
I am in the UK so can't really advise you on where to go, I have a 
great guy just around the corner who binds books from his garage.  I 
have done the following :

1. GUARD BOOK.  This is the correct name for a photo album type 
book.  This is where the pages are folded over by about half an inch 
at one end to enable them to be sewn for binding.  The end result is 
that the spine is twice as thick as the edge as there are twice as 
many layers of paper there due to the fold.  This doesn't really 
matter as you then stick your photos onto the blank pages, 
essentially doubling the thickness back up so that a full book is 
nice and level.  The disadvantage is that it does look like a photo 
ablum not a book.

2. POST BOUND.  This is where you take a thick ream of prints (I used 
A3 paper with the prints offset to one side)drill holes in the long 
edge and clamp the whole thing between two cover and a spine with 
brass bolts.  The bolts are hidden from view and the book is very 
solid and robust.  BUT you cannot open it out flat because the spine 
is clamped shut.  This means you are always supporting the book half 
open and can be very awkward at the start or end of the book.

3. FULLY SEWN BOUND.  This is the real mackoy - a proper bound book.  
You need double sided paper (I use Redriver 65lb double sided matt), 
you have to totally plan each page layout to make sure that when the 
pages are nested they are mated with the correct opposite page etc.  
So, four images to a sheet of A3+ paper, 2 per side, equally spaced.  
Take three of these sheets and stack them, then fold down the middle 
and sew.  25 sets of these mini booklets are then piled together and 
sewn into a spine before beind bound into a book.  The result is 
stunning but expensive and time consuming.  I have a number of 
volumes like this and it is very professional.  Only disadvantage is 
that you need quite thick paper to avoid bleed through of double 
sided images, this can lead to some tearing of the paper where it is 
sewn so you need to get clients to take care (mine books are used as 
a sort of catalogue as well as for personal appreciation!).

Good luck, if I can offer any more advice please get in touch.

Steve

Anton Young writes:
 > I've been asked to get a dummy book together for a book proposal. I'd like
 > to bind it as much as possible like a published book, rather than some nasty
 > kinko's office presentation type thing. I saw a binding machine at the
 > Javits center photo show last year which I plan to buy later, but it's $450
 > and I don't want to lay that out right now to just do one book. Does anyone
 > know of a business that does perfect binding (i.e. I give them stack of
 > loose prints and they put them in a cover). I don't need anything fancy,
 > just 8 1/2"x11" landscape orientation, hardcover with a cloth covering. Any
 > leads greatly appreciated.

I spoke with a company called Fastback Creative Books at the Photoshop
Expo last week.  They make a binding system for small-scale runs of
books.  The results look great, it may even be the same system that
you're describing above.

The really cool thing though, was getting to meet Camille Seaman, who
works w/ Fastback and provides services that range from "will
design/print/bind your books for you" to "will stick your pile of
pages into a cover" and everything in between.

Her card says:

  Camille Seamn
  2703 7th Street, Studio 364, Mailbox 211, Berkeley, CA 94710
  510-849-2473
  info@...

I'm really excited about it for some of my projects!

g.