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2004-03-13 by Mark Hahn
ok, this seems like a backward question, but how would you spot an inkjet print? Didn't notice 2 spots in black areas in a 8x12" print from my 7660... think the driver sharpened them up, but with a $3/print cost I'd rather just spot the print... like in the good 'ole days. I have Spotall and a Sharpie pen, which would be better? Spotall is water based and the Sharpie solvent based... don't want to mess up that glorious gloss surface:) mark
2004-03-13 by Richard Sintchak
Saturday, March 13, 2004, 12:55:58 PM, you wrote: MH> ok, this seems like a backward question, but how would you spot an MH> inkjet print? Didn't notice 2 spots in black areas in a 8x12" print MH> from my 7660... think the driver sharpened them up, but with a MH> $3/print cost I'd rather just spot the print... like in the good 'ole MH> days. I have Spotall and a Sharpie pen, which would be better? MH> Spotall is water based and the Sharpie solvent based... don't want to MH> mess up that glorious gloss surface:) MH> mark I tried this with a Sharpie once on some PR. It left a dark black speck. Not as visible as the white speck it replaced but MUCH darker than the black area around it. I would not recommend a Sharpie. -- Best regards, Richard mailto:richard@...
2004-03-13 by Paul Roark
I use a round toothpick, the ink from the inkset that I used to print the image, and my magnifying hood to see what I'm doing. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _______________________
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Hahn [mailto:markhahn2000@...] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:56 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] spotting inkjet prints ok, this seems like a backward question, but how would you spot an inkjet print? Didn't notice 2 spots in black areas in a 8x12" print from my 7660... think the driver sharpened them up, but with a $3/print cost I'd rather just spot the print... like in the good 'ole days. I have Spotall and a Sharpie pen, which would be better? Spotall is water based and the Sharpie solvent based... don't want to mess up that glorious gloss surface:) mark Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2004-03-13 by James Irelan
On Saturday, March 13, 2004, at 01:55 PM, Mark Hahn wrote: > ok, this seems like a backward question, but how would you spot an > inkjet print? Didn't notice 2 spots in black areas in a 8x12" print > from my 7660... think the driver sharpened them up, but with a > $3/print cost I'd rather just spot the print... like in the good 'ole > days. I have Spotall and a Sharpie pen, which would be better? > Spotall is water based and the Sharpie solvent based... don't want to > mess up that glorious gloss surface:) > Mark, I have found spotting inkjet prints to be very difficult to impossible, although there have been times in a time squeeze that I've been able to do it, and I believe it was with a Sharpie, which is probably about as un-archival as you can get. I have some spotting inks that have sometimes worked, too, although not all that well. There's something about the spot that seems to repel whatever you're trying to put in it to the surrounding area, so that you wind up with the spot still there and an even darker ring around it- and this is working very dry, with a brush. I have even gone so far as to carefully measure where the spot was, and run the print back through the printer to spot one little spot with a spot of nearby color, thinking that would work. It didn't, even though I hit the spot. Exceedingly difficult, in my experience. James Irelan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-03-13 by Tom Baker
Paul - Excellent idea. But, most of us can't get to the ink. It might be useful (if not profitable) for the ink companies to sell a small kit of inks, similar to what Spotone does. Or, would there be problems with the ink drying up quickly? Tom Baker Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote: I use a round toothpick, the ink from the inkset that I used to print the image, and my magnifying hood to see what I'm doing. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _______________________
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Hahn [mailto:markhahn2000@...] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:56 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] spotting inkjet prints ok, this seems like a backward question, but how would you spot an inkjet print? Didn't notice 2 spots in black areas in a 8x12" print from my 7660... think the driver sharpened them up, but with a $3/print cost I'd rather just spot the print... like in the good 'ole days. I have Spotall and a Sharpie pen, which would be better? Spotall is water based and the Sharpie solvent based... don't want to mess up that glorious gloss surface:) mark Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@...m Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-03-13 by Clayton Jones
Hello Mark, >ok, this seems like a backward question, but how would you spot an >inkjet print? FWIW, I found that SpotTone works well on EAM (I suppose EEM too but haven't tried it) but didn't work at all on Photorag. Haven't tried it on anything else. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
2004-03-13 by Roger L Sopher
Another way that I find useful is to print a 21 step wedge on glossy paper. The pigment based (at least the MIS-VM ink that I use) doesn't absorb and you can pick up a close match using a damp brush. The same wedge can be used for some time. Roger
2004-03-13 by Tom Baker
Thanks Roger. We've been overlooking the obvious on this one. Tom Baker Roger L Sopher <rlsopher@...> wrote: Another way that I find useful is to print a 21 step wedge on glossy paper. The pigment based (at least the MIS-VM ink that I use) doesn't absorb and you can pick up a close match using a damp brush. The same wedge can be used for some time. Roger Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-03-14 by Ernst Dinkla
Staedtler Marsmatic 700 0.18 ISO drawing pen filled with the same ink you print with. I think the lighter greys of a quadset will be best. I'm using four with cmYK inks for colour prints. Pens behave better than with the normal drawing inks. Ernst
2004-03-14 by Jason DeFontes
>> I have Spotall and a Sharpie pen, which would be better? > I tried this with a Sharpie once on some PR. It left a dark black > speck. Not as visible as the white speck it replaced but MUCH > darker than the black area around it. I would not recommend a > Sharpie. Sharpie's might be "permanent" but they are definetly not archival. The dyes in the ink will wick into some papers over time and leave rainbow colored halos. They should never touch a work of art IMO, except maybe a Tom Sachs (http://www.tomsachs.org/). -Jason
2004-03-14 by jim hayes
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@c...> wrote: > Hello Mark, > > >ok, this seems like a backward question, but how would you spot an > >inkjet print? > > FWIW, I found that SpotTone works well on EAM (I suppose EEM too but > haven't tried it) but didn't work at all on Photorag. Haven't tried > it on anything else. > > > Regards, > Clayton > > > Info on black and white digital printing at > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm I used Spotone very sucessfully on a color print on Epson Velvet Fine Art (Ultrachrome) in a bluish-grey area...I used a black color diluted a little. With the previous generation of MIS hextone ink, I spotted occasionally, like Paul. Since I used to fill carts from bottles I had plenty of loose ink to use. It still demands a lot of patience, multiple dabs, a 000 brush in good shape, etc. Jim Hayes