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effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by mkitei

Recently there was a posting that suggested that Bulldog had a 
destructive effect on watercolor papers. My question is, should I 
use Lyson Print Guard on papers like hahnemuhle William 
Turner or Luminos Museum Parchment or Legion Somerset 
enhanced?

What is the long term effect of Print guard. Does it eventually 
crack or discolor. I'm selling prints and while I always warn a 
purchaser that the surface of the print is fragile and should be 
placed under glass asap, I would like the added security of a 
protective spray if it didn't have a long term negative effect.

Mike

RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by Paul Roark

>...should I use Lyson Print Guard on papers like hahnemuhle William 
>Turner or Luminos Museum Parchment or Legion Somerset 
>enhanced?

Print Guard appears to be the same as PremierArt Print Shield, which has
been tested by Wilhelm.  See 
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/pdf/WIR_Ep9600_2003_11_01.pdf
Some of the papers were sprayed with PremeirArt, and it appeared to help the
lightfastness and not affect the paper life estimate to the extent of the
testing (to >200 years).

>What is the long term effect of Print guard. Does it eventually 
>crack or discolor.

These companies are not disclosing what the products are.  Solvent based
acrylics have the best reputations for not yellowing, and I assume that is
what these are.  My past research led me to Rohm & Haas's B72 formula as the
most trusted by conservators.  Grumbacher Tuffilm is apparently the same
thing and readily available at art stores.  

See the statements of Ross Merrill, Chief of Conservation at the National
Gallery of Art, Washington D.C. (USA), below.  In a 1997 speech regarding
pastel conservation he said as follows regarding fixatives (which these
are):

"Today there are a number of alternatives. Krylon Acrylic Varnish B72 is
used by conservators.  [Krylon no longer makes this, Lascaux Fixativ is the
only true Rohm & Haas B72 that I know of.] This product will remain
unchanged for 400 years, but does have a tendency to saturate the surface.
Grumbacher B77 varnish or "tough film" is the same as B72, but will not
saturate..." See <http://www.bmi.net/knapp/iapsmerrill.html> 

I prefer the Lyson or PremierArt for glossy prints because it is easier to
get an even spray.  For matte prints the Grumbacher or Lascaux has worked
fine.  Grumbacher is probably the cheapest and most readily available of the
products.  I think it has been used by pastel painters for many years.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by Jim Doyle

Paul

What do you think of Lumijet Image Shield?

Jim Doyle

J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
114 Old Orchard Rd.
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
856-424-8660
http:www.shadesofpaper.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
  Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 8:21 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers


  >...should I use Lyson Print Guard on papers like hahnemuhle William
  >Turner or Luminos Museum Parchment or Legion Somerset
  >enhanced?

  Print Guard appears to be the same as PremierArt Print Shield, which has
  been tested by Wilhelm.  See
  http://www.wilhelm-research.com/pdf/WIR_Ep9600_2003_11_01.pdf
  Some of the papers were sprayed with PremeirArt, and it appeared to help
the
  lightfastness and not affect the paper life estimate to the extent of the
  testing (to >200 years).

  >What is the long term effect of Print guard. Does it eventually
  >crack or discolor.

  These companies are not disclosing what the products are.  Solvent based
  acrylics have the best reputations for not yellowing, and I assume that is
  what these are.  My past research led me to Rohm & Haas's B72 formula as
the
  most trusted by conservators.  Grumbacher Tuffilm is apparently the same
  thing and readily available at art stores.

  See the statements of Ross Merrill, Chief of Conservation at the National
  Gallery of Art, Washington D.C. (USA), below.  In a 1997 speech regarding
  pastel conservation he said as follows regarding fixatives (which these
  are):

  "Today there are a number of alternatives. Krylon Acrylic Varnish B72 is
  used by conservators.  [Krylon no longer makes this, Lascaux Fixativ is
the
  only true Rohm & Haas B72 that I know of.] This product will remain
  unchanged for 400 years, but does have a tendency to saturate the surface.
  Grumbacher B77 varnish or "tough film" is the same as B72, but will not
  saturate..." See <http://www.bmi.net/knapp/iapsmerrill.html>

  I prefer the Lyson or PremierArt for glossy prints because it is easier to
  get an even spray.  For matte prints the Grumbacher or Lascaux has worked
  fine.  Grumbacher is probably the cheapest and most readily available of
the
  products.  I think it has been used by pastel painters for many years.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com




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RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by Paul Roark

Jim,

>What do you think of Lumijet Image Shield?

I don't know what it is.  It could be the exact same product.  I notice that
Marshall's has a similar product in a can that is exactly like the
PremierArt and Lyson sprays.  Many of these are probably coming out of the
same large chemical company factory.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
  Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 8:21 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers


  >...should I use Lyson Print Guard on papers like hahnemuhle William
  >Turner or Luminos Museum Parchment or Legion Somerset
  >enhanced?

  Print Guard appears to be the same as PremierArt Print Shield, which has
  been tested by Wilhelm.  See
  http://www.wilhelm-research.com/pdf/WIR_Ep9600_2003_11_01.pdf
  Some of the papers were sprayed with PremeirArt, and it appeared to help
the
  lightfastness and not affect the paper life estimate to the extent of the
  testing (to >200 years).

  >What is the long term effect of Print guard. Does it eventually
  >crack or discolor.

  These companies are not disclosing what the products are.  Solvent based
  acrylics have the best reputations for not yellowing, and I assume that is
  what these are.  My past research led me to Rohm & Haas's B72 formula as
the
  most trusted by conservators.  Grumbacher Tuffilm is apparently the same
  thing and readily available at art stores.

  See the statements of Ross Merrill, Chief of Conservation at the National
  Gallery of Art, Washington D.C. (USA), below.  In a 1997 speech regarding
  pastel conservation he said as follows regarding fixatives (which these
  are):

  "Today there are a number of alternatives. Krylon Acrylic Varnish B72 is
  used by conservators.  [Krylon no longer makes this, Lascaux Fixativ is
the
  only true Rohm & Haas B72 that I know of.] This product will remain
  unchanged for 400 years, but does have a tendency to saturate the surface.
  Grumbacher B77 varnish or "tough film" is the same as B72, but will not
  saturate..." See <http://www.bmi.net/knapp/iapsmerrill.html>

  I prefer the Lyson or PremierArt for glossy prints because it is easier to
  get an even spray.  For matte prints the Grumbacher or Lascaux has worked
  fine.  Grumbacher is probably the cheapest and most readily available of
the
  products.  I think it has been used by pastel painters for many years.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com




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RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by Jim Doyle

Paul

I will find out but I think that your right..,. I just checked a can but it
didn't say..

Jim
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
  Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 8:45 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers


  Jim,

  >What do you think of Lumijet Image Shield?

  I don't know what it is.  It could be the exact same product.  I notice
that
  Marshall's has a similar product in a can that is exactly like the
  PremierArt and Lyson sprays.  Many of these are probably coming out of the
  same large chemical company factory.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com

  _________________________


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...]
    Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 8:21 PM
    To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers


    >...should I use Lyson Print Guard on papers like hahnemuhle William
    >Turner or Luminos Museum Parchment or Legion Somerset
    >enhanced?

    Print Guard appears to be the same as PremierArt Print Shield, which has
    been tested by Wilhelm.  See
    http://www.wilhelm-research.com/pdf/WIR_Ep9600_2003_11_01.pdf
    Some of the papers were sprayed with PremeirArt, and it appeared to help
  the
    lightfastness and not affect the paper life estimate to the extent of
the
    testing (to >200 years).

    >What is the long term effect of Print guard. Does it eventually
    >crack or discolor.

    These companies are not disclosing what the products are.  Solvent based
    acrylics have the best reputations for not yellowing, and I assume that
is
    what these are.  My past research led me to Rohm & Haas's B72 formula as
  the
    most trusted by conservators.  Grumbacher Tuffilm is apparently the same
    thing and readily available at art stores.

    See the statements of Ross Merrill, Chief of Conservation at the
National
    Gallery of Art, Washington D.C. (USA), below.  In a 1997 speech
regarding
    pastel conservation he said as follows regarding fixatives (which these
    are):

    "Today there are a number of alternatives. Krylon Acrylic Varnish B72 is
    used by conservators.  [Krylon no longer makes this, Lascaux Fixativ is
  the
    only true Rohm & Haas B72 that I know of.] This product will remain
    unchanged for 400 years, but does have a tendency to saturate the
surface.
    Grumbacher B77 varnish or "tough film" is the same as B72, but will not
    saturate..." See <http://www.bmi.net/knapp/iapsmerrill.html>

    I prefer the Lyson or PremierArt for glossy prints because it is easier
to
    get an even spray.  For matte prints the Grumbacher or Lascaux has
worked
    fine.  Grumbacher is probably the cheapest and most readily available of
  the
    products.  I think it has been used by pastel painters for many years.

    Paul
    www.PaulRoark.com




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Re: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by photographyworks

Where can I buy the Grumbacher B77 in Europe?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >...should I use Lyson Print Guard on papers like hahnemuhle 
William 
> >Turner or Luminos Museum Parchment or Legion Somerset 
> >enhanced?
> 
> Print Guard appears to be the same as PremierArt Print Shield, 
which has
> been tested by Wilhelm.  See 
> http://www.wilhelm-research.com/pdf/WIR_Ep9600_2003_11_01.pdf
> Some of the papers were sprayed with PremeirArt, and it appeared 
to help the
> lightfastness and not affect the paper life estimate to the extent 
of the
> testing (to >200 years).
> 
> >What is the long term effect of Print guard. Does it eventually 
> >crack or discolor.
> 
> These companies are not disclosing what the products are.  Solvent 
based
> acrylics have the best reputations for not yellowing, and I assume 
that is
> what these are.  My past research led me to Rohm & Haas's B72 
formula as the
> most trusted by conservators.  Grumbacher Tuffilm is apparently 
the same
> thing and readily available at art stores.  
> 
> See the statements of Ross Merrill, Chief of Conservation at the 
National
> Gallery of Art, Washington D.C. (USA), below.  In a 1997 speech 
regarding
> pastel conservation he said as follows regarding fixatives (which 
these
> are):
> 
> "Today there are a number of alternatives. Krylon Acrylic Varnish 
B72 is
> used by conservators.  [Krylon no longer makes this, Lascaux 
Fixativ is the
> only true Rohm & Haas B72 that I know of.] This product will remain
> unchanged for 400 years, but does have a tendency to saturate the 
surface.
> Grumbacher B77 varnish or "tough film" is the same as B72, but 
will not
> saturate..." See <http://www.bmi.net/knapp/iapsmerrill.html> 
> 
> I prefer the Lyson or PremierArt for glossy prints because it is 
easier to
> get an even spray.  For matte prints the Grumbacher or Lascaux has 
worked
> fine.  Grumbacher is probably the cheapest and most readily 
available of the
> products.  I think it has been used by pastel painters for many 
years.
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> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by Paul Roark

>Where can I buy the Grumbacher B77 in Europe?

It may be a U.S. company; art supply stores is where it is handled in the
U.S.  

In Europe Lascaux Fixativ may be more available and perhaps cheaper than in
the U.S., where it is a bit overpriced.  It appears to be B72 and has worked
well for me on matte papers.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
_____________________________

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >...should I use Lyson Print Guard on papers like hahnemuhle 
William 
> >Turner or Luminos Museum Parchment or Legion Somerset 
> >enhanced?
> 
> Print Guard appears to be the same as PremierArt Print Shield, 
which has
> been tested by Wilhelm.  See 
> http://www.wilhelm-research.com/pdf/WIR_Ep9600_2003_11_01.pdf
> Some of the papers were sprayed with PremeirArt, and it appeared 
to help the
> lightfastness and not affect the paper life estimate to the extent 
of the
> testing (to >200 years).
> 
> >What is the long term effect of Print guard. Does it eventually 
> >crack or discolor.
> 
> These companies are not disclosing what the products are.  Solvent 
based
> acrylics have the best reputations for not yellowing, and I assume 
that is
> what these are.  My past research led me to Rohm & Haas's B72 
formula as the
> most trusted by conservators.  Grumbacher Tuffilm is apparently 
the same
> thing and readily available at art stores.  
> 
> See the statements of Ross Merrill, Chief of Conservation at the 
National
> Gallery of Art, Washington D.C. (USA), below.  In a 1997 speech 
regarding
> pastel conservation he said as follows regarding fixatives (which 
these
> are):
> 
> "Today there are a number of alternatives. Krylon Acrylic Varnish 
B72 is
> used by conservators.  [Krylon no longer makes this, Lascaux 
Fixativ is the
> only true Rohm & Haas B72 that I know of.] This product will remain
> unchanged for 400 years, but does have a tendency to saturate the 
surface.
> Grumbacher B77 varnish or "tough film" is the same as B72, but 
will not
> saturate..." See <http://www.bmi.net/knapp/iapsmerrill.html> 
> 
> I prefer the Lyson or PremierArt for glossy prints because it is 
easier to
> get an even spray.  For matte prints the Grumbacher or Lascaux has 
worked
> fine.  Grumbacher is probably the cheapest and most readily 
available of the
> products.  I think it has been used by pastel painters for many 
years.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com



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Re: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by Tom Andrews

Hi Paul,

For matte papers, how does the Grumbacher B77 differ from Print Shield in 
affecting the appearance of the print and providing protection for the print 
surface.  I use Premier Art Print Shield on prints on Entrada Natural and find 
very little difference in appearance after spraying, but some (not sure how to 
quantify how much) protection from smudging and scuffing, but probably not 
enough for glassless framing.    

As an aside, for glassless framing of semigloss prints, Print Shield followed by 
rubbing on a layer of Renaissance Wax (from Light Impressions) seems like a 
reasonably tough combination and gives a relatively negligible change in 
appearance to the print.  But I am currently mostly interested in alternatives 
for matte papers.  Thanks,

Tom Andrews
http://www.wildlandart.com

>snip< 
> See the statements of Ross Merrill, Chief of Conservation at the National
> Gallery of Art, Washington D.C. (USA), below.  In a 1997 speech regarding
> pastel conservation he said as follows regarding fixatives (which these
> are):
> 
> "Today there are a number of alternatives. Krylon Acrylic Varnish B72 is
> used by conservators.  [Krylon no longer makes this, Lascaux Fixativ is the
> only true Rohm & Haas B72 that I know of.] This product will remain
> unchanged for 400 years, but does have a tendency to saturate the 
surface.
> Grumbacher B77 varnish or "tough film" is the same as B72, but will not
> saturate..." See <http://www.bmi.net/knapp/iapsmerrill.html> 
> 
> I prefer the Lyson or PremierArt for glossy prints because it is easier to
> get an even spray.  For matte prints the Grumbacher or Lascaux has 
worked
> fine.  Grumbacher is probably the cheapest and most readily available of 
the
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> products.  I think it has been used by pastel painters for many years.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by Paul Roark

Tom,

>For matte papers, how does the Grumbacher B77 differ from Print Shield in 
>affecting the appearance of the print and providing protection for the
>print surface.

I think it is the same.  The main difference in my view is that the
PremierArt or Lyson products have a nozzle that spreads the spray a little
better.  This is relevant for glossy prints but does not seem to be
important for matte papers.

>I use Premier Art Print Shield on prints on Entrada Natural and find 
>very little difference in appearance after spraying, but some 
>(not sure how to quantify how much) protection from smudging and scuffing,
>but probably not enough for glassless framing. 

I agree.  I think it is usually worth the protection.

On the other hand, on one UltraSmooth print I measured a significant dmax
reduction from a spray.  I'm not sure if this was an anomaly or what.  I'm
going to do some tests on this paper before I spray it again.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

___________________________

>snip< 
> See the statements of Ross Merrill, Chief of Conservation at the National
> Gallery of Art, Washington D.C. (USA), below.  In a 1997 speech regarding
> pastel conservation he said as follows regarding fixatives (which these
> are):
> 
> "Today there are a number of alternatives. Krylon Acrylic Varnish B72 is
> used by conservators.  [Krylon no longer makes this, Lascaux Fixativ is
the
> only true Rohm & Haas B72 that I know of.] This product will remain
> unchanged for 400 years, but does have a tendency to saturate the 
surface.
> Grumbacher B77 varnish or "tough film" is the same as B72, but will not
> saturate..." See <http://www.bmi.net/knapp/iapsmerrill.html> 
> 
> I prefer the Lyson or PremierArt for glossy prints because it is easier to
> get an even spray.  For matte prints the Grumbacher or Lascaux has 
worked
> fine.  Grumbacher is probably the cheapest and most readily available of 
the
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> products.  I think it has been used by pastel painters for many years.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

FS: Torchon & Durer Paper

2004-03-23 by R Murai

I have for sale: 

1. Unopened box of Hahn Torchon (285) 17x22  $185
2. Partially used box of Albrecht Durer (210) 17x22 (33 full sheets + 8
16x20 sheets).  $140

Please contact me offlist if interested.

Rick Murai




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Re: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by Ernst Dinkla

Paul Roark wrote:

>>Where can I buy the Grumbacher B77 in Europe?
> 
> 
> It may be a U.S. company; art supply stores is where it is handled in the
> U.S.  
> 
> In Europe Lascaux Fixativ may be more available and perhaps cheaper than in
> the U.S., where it is a bit overpriced.  It appears to be B72 and has worked
> well for me on matte papers.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 

Both gloss and matte Lascaux are available in the Netherlands and 
have been good on Hahnemuhle papers and canvas.

Ernst

Re: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by chipcarterdc

> On the other hand, on one UltraSmooth print I measured a significant dmax
> reduction from a spray.  I'm not sure if this was an anomaly or what.  I'm
> going to do some tests on this paper before I spray it again.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 

A reduction in dmax?  That seems odd -- wouldn't a spray, if anything, 
increase at least the appearance of Dmax by adding even a little additional 
reflectivity from the spray?  I await your findings.

RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-23 by Richard Smallfield

I've been ringing around and have so far only found Schminker Universal Fixative and Permajet Permafix locally (New Zealand) - has anyone used either of these?

thanks,
Richard
--
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   "Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
   recognize a mistake when you make it again."
   --F.P. Jones

RE: [Digital BW] effect of Print Guard on watercolor papers

2004-03-24 by Paul Roark

Richard,

>I've been ringing around and have so far only found Schminker Universal
>Fixative and Permajet Permafix locally (New Zealand) - has anyone used
>either of these?

I've tried the PermaJet Permafix and don't recommend it.  It is a "matte"
fixative.  Those types have a "grit" in them that is supposed to cut the
gloss.  However, it feels gritty on the paper, is not needed, and cuts the
dmax.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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