Digital BW, The Print

Have there been any adjustments to the technical specs of the 4000, eg dpi or some of the 
features of the R800, or was the delay merely a production issue?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Kale" 
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> Have there been any adjustments to the technical specs of the 4000, 
eg dpi or some of the 
> features of the R800, or was the delay merely a production issue?

The Epson people told me it was a production issue, but I suspect 
they want to thin out their inventories of 7600's, since the 4000 
will, more than likely, encroach on that market. Hard to use my 7600 
now that I have a 4000 and it makes me want to upgrade to a 9600.

Claude

Thanks.  I guess that¹s a pity.  If the R800 is all that it is cracked up to
be then a new 21/2200 and a new 4000 are probably lurking over the horizon.
It would have been nice if they had held it back in order to incorporate
some of their technical advances.

From: "Claude" <claudej1@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:49:47 -0000
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000


The Epson people told me it was a production issue, but I suspect
they want to thin out their inventories of 7600's, since the 4000
will, more than likely, encroach on that market. Hard to use my 7600
now that I have a 4000 and it makes me want to upgrade to a 9600.

Claude






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I'm just guessing but - I suspect we'll see a new 76/9600 sometime
around the end of 2005 that will have the newer print heads, multiple
black (probably not 4 but we can wish) and what amounts to a clear coat.
The 4000 print heads have almost double the number of nozzles of the
76/96 so it's faster and it's capable of a somewhat smaller dot size.

I've been reading this board and the piezography board for a few months,
I've noticed a lot of problems with piezo inks and clogging - I hear
less of that on this board - but I'd be really curious as to what
percentage of users have problems.

Vince

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Kale [mailto:stevekale@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:05 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000

Thanks.  I guess that¹s a pity.  If the R800 is all that it is cracked
up to
be then a new 21/2200 and a new 4000 are probably lurking over the
horizon.
It would have been nice if they had held it back in order to incorporate
some of their technical advances.


From: "Claude" <claudej1@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:49:47 -0000
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000


The Epson people told me it was a production issue, but I suspect
they want to thin out their inventories of 7600's, since the 4000
will, more than likely, encroach on that market. Hard to use my 7600
now that I have a 4000 and it makes me want to upgrade to a 9600.

Claude






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Maybe you wouldn't want it.  Slower than hell on a large print I would gues=
s with 1.5 pl 
dots.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@=
b...> 
wrote:
> Thanks.  I guess that¹s a pity.  If the R800 is all that it is cracked up=
 to
> be then a new 21/2200 and a new 4000 are probably lurking over the horizo=
n.

> It would have been nice if they had held it back in order to incorporate
> some of their technical advances.
> 
> 
> From: "Claude" <claudej1@a...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:49:47 -0000
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000
> 
> 
> The Epson people told me it was a production issue, but I suspect
> they want to thin out their inventories of 7600's, since the 4000
> will, more than likely, encroach on that market. Hard to use my 7600
> now that I have a 4000 and it makes me want to upgrade to a 9600.
> 
> Claude
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm surprised to see so little information from users of the Epson 4000.  I've had mine a 
month plus and I'm very interested in exhanging experiences with 4000 users.  Anybody 
there?
Joe

There is a 4000 group  ("Epson4000"), which though not highly active, has some info.  
Hopefully it will get  more active as the number of printers goes up.   

Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Davajon" <davajon@s...> 
wrote:

> I'm surprised to see so little information from users of the Epson 4000.  I've had mine a 
> month plus and I'm very interested in exhanging experiences with 4000 users.  Anybody 
> there?
> Joe

Also don't forget the EpsonWideFormat list.  This is huge, and does 
include the 4000.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Graham" 
<gebilwil@n...> wrote:
> There is a 4000 group  ("Epson4000"), which though not highly 
active, has some info.  
> Hopefully it will get  more active as the number of printers goes 
up.   
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Davajon" 
<davajon@s...> 
> wrote:
> > I'm surprised to see so little information from users of the 
Epson 4000.  I've had mine a 
> > month plus and I'm very interested in exhanging experiences with 
4000 users.  Anybody 
> > there?
> > Joe

--- scrber <stephen.bate@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Also don't forget the EpsonWideFormat list.  This is
huge, and does 
include the 4000.

Steve,
Thanks.  I did join that list and have found some
interesting posts.
Joe

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Is it possible to print longer than 1 meter on this printer?

Thanks,
danny

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I was looking for a few opinions.  I have an opportunity to buy an
epson 4000 that is in good shape for $500.  While I see that "newer,
bigger, faster..." printers are coming out, I don't have the budget
for them.  I have started printing some 12x18 on my 1280 but sometimes
wish I could print larger.  I am also a little frustrated with the
head cleaning and pizza wheel tracks on anything remotely glossy.  I
was thinking that even the new 13x19 printers approach $500 and a 17"
wide printer might be nice - can always print smaller, but you can't
always print bigger.  I was thinking I wouldn't need to buy another
printer for years since it is a "pro" model...

I am wondering about switching out the inkset (once I've finished them
off) and making into b&w printer with MIS UT-3D set.  Any comments on
the print quality of the 4000 vs. the 1280 for comparisons would be nice.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Earl

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"esharamaki" <esharamaki@...> wrote:
>
> I was looking for a few opinions.  I have an opportunity to buy an
> epson 4000 that is in good shape for $500.  
If it is really in good shape that is a great price - be careful 
about transporting it though.

>  I am also a little frustrated with the
> head cleaning and pizza wheel tracks on anything remotely glossy. 
I made the same transition, and the 4000 is more reliable during long 
printing sessions and the air suction avoids marks.

If something goes wrong the cost of fixing it could be high.  

The only problem I've had is with MIS refillable carts, where the 
(old) design I got was very poor - 5 out of 8 have failed with small 
or large leaks.  MIS were very good at replacing 4 that failed almost 
immediately with a new design even though I'm on a different 
continent.  I replaced the 5th myself as the failure was catestrophic 
and I did not want to wait to convince them.  This is yet another 
design, which looks better.
I probably wasted a pint or two of ink during all of this 
(powercleaning to fix air in the lines resulting from leaks).  This 
is just an  indication of the scale of problems that can arise; I am 
very happy with the printer.
 
> I am wondering about switching out the inkset (once I've finished 
them
> off) and making into b&w printer with MIS UT-3D set.  Any comments 
on
> the print quality of the 4000 vs. the 1280 for comparisons would be 
nice.
I'm going to leave that comparison to those more expert.  I was 
always pleasantly surprised how good the 1280 could be, and although 
different in several subtle ways I am also happy with the 4000. In 
both cases I think I am limited by my own skill, not the printer.  

Ken

I have the opportunity to buy an Epson Stylus Pro 4000 printer at a low 
price because one of its color heads is completely clogged. I have 
wondered if this might make a good economical printer for monochrome 
prints larger than I can do with my R2400.

I'm thinking of leaving a cleaning cart connected to the bad (M) head, 
and loading Photo K, Matt K, and various gray carts in the other slots. 
I'd drive it with QuadtoneRIP, and understand I would need to develop 
some custom curves.

Two questions:

1   Is this a crazy idea?

2   What inkset would suit? MIS? Peizography? Paul Roark's 4K+?



Peter Marquis-Kyle

You should be able to work around one clogged channel without much
trouble.  Many inksets would work.  On the other hand, if that one
channel is clogged due to a broken pump, the other channels may follow
soon.

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.PaulRoark.com>


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Peter Marquis-Kyle
<peter@...> wrote:
>
> I have the opportunity to buy an Epson Stylus Pro 4000 printer at a
low
> price because one of its color heads is completely clogged. I have
> wondered if this might make a good economical printer for monochrome
> prints larger than I can do with my R2400.
>
> I'm thinking of leaving a cleaning cart connected to the bad (M) head,
> and loading Photo K, Matt K, and various gray carts in the other
slots.
> I'd drive it with QuadtoneRIP, and understand I would need to develop
> some custom curves.
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1 Is this a crazy idea?
>
> 2 What inkset would suit? MIS? Peizography? Paul Roark's 4K+?
>
>
>
> Peter Marquis-Kyle
>




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I'm not sure what kind of ink that you should buy but the idea of dedicating a 4000 to B&W printing exclusively is excellent.  In fact, before I bought my HP Z3100 I often wished that I had my old 4000 back so that I could convert it to B&W only.  However, since my Epson 4000 was lost in a fire, that wasn't possible. 
   
  Incidentally, cleaning that blocked nozzle out shouldn't be too difficult but keeping it cleaned is another issue. Clogged nozzles are a constant problem with the 4000.  You should try to print as often as you can with it.  Good luck!




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Hi all,
I am thinking of buying a secondhand Epson 4000. Does anyone have any views on this. Is it capable of producing quality monochrome using just the black and light gray?.
Could it be filled with Pauls black and grey dilutions for monochrome only printing.
Any help would be appreciated, I am by the way based in the UK

Thanks in advance.

Keith Dugdale

"Keith" <keithdale@...> wrote:

> I am thinking of buying a secondhand Epson 4000. 
> Does anyone have any views on this. 

I have never used one, but my impression from this list is that it was more prone to clogs than most printers.  I would be sure it gives a perfect nozzle check.

All of the printers I've tested have worked well with the dilute inks I use.  However, you may need to be able to make profiles on your own.  Most of the inksets I've used or recommend print well with the Epson driver, at least if QTR's Create ICC is used to make an ICC.  These are probably the easiest profiles to make; you can even use a flatbed scanner to do it.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I have got two of the PRO 4000's, and yes they are prone to clogs, if, left to set for more than about a week without use. I have one that I just recently put back into service after setting for around 1 year, I did a nozzle check, and got exactly what I expected, nothing, no check pattern at all. Did a Windex puddle clean over night and one power clean and had maybe a half a dozen individual nozzles that were still plugged. I did a second Windex puddle clean for one hour and two regular cleanings (auto adjust/clean from Utility) and the third line on the second sheet was perfect, and has been perfect since.  

So all said and done, they clean up very easy, for me anyway. I suppose there are other printers out there that may print better and have better gamut, ect. but for what I have into my second unit, basically the cost of shipping, they are an absolute steal in my opinion. There is plenty of info available on the net about them and how to deal with their eccentricities, so if you are handy and not afraid to get under the hood so to speak, they are easy enough to deal with in my opinion. I've not had much in the way of problems over the years and have been able to fix everything myself. They are low use units, maybe 20 or 30 rolls of paper a piece and 50 to 75 boxes of 8x10 paper, so they are lightly used and not abused. If you need a first time every time always ready no maintenance printer, look elsewhere, course I kind of suspicion there are really no animals of that sort available from anyone, anywhere, at any price.

If I had room, I'd have more than the two I have, why I don't really know, spare parts I guess, but I think you get the point.

Later Larry

From: pr_roark 
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:19 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4000


  
"Keith" <keithdale@...> wrote:

> I am thinking of buying a secondhand Epson 4000. 
> Does anyone have any views on this. 

I have never used one, but my impression from this list is that it was more prone to clogs than most printers. I would be sure it gives a perfect nozzle check.

All of the printers I've tested have worked well with the dilute inks I use. However, you may need to be able to make profiles on your own. Most of the inksets I've used or recommend print well with the Epson driver, at least if QTR's Create ICC is used to make an ICC. These are probably the easiest profiles to make; you can even use a flatbed scanner to do it.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 





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