Digital BW, The Print

I'm trying some color ink experiments with Generations, trying to use my still half full CIS bottles on a 1200. This seems to be 
a popular combination for color so I thought I'd ask this.
I've been working with Royal Plush and Somerset Enhanced. I've tried every media setting in the Epson driver, and every 
media setting in PressReady, and made profiles for both drivers. There seems to be no way to make this ink work on these 
kinds of papers without mottle in some colors, even colors that have a fairly low total ink density on paper.
I'm about ready to just pour the rest of this stuff down the drain and am mystified why it's so popular. I realize the 1200 puts 
down a lot of ink, but some of these colors that have problems are not that ink intensive.
I wanted to try some toned B&W before I bagged it, check metamerism etc., but have pretty much had it.
Anybody have better luck with generations, any suggestions?
Tyler

> I've been working with Royal Plush and Somerset Enhanced. 
I've tried every media setting in the Epson driver, and every 
> media setting in PressReady, and made profiles for both 
drivers. There seems to be no way to make this ink work on 
these 
> kinds of papers without mottle in some colors, even colors that 
have a fairly low total ink density on paper.
> Tyler

Tyler,

I have the same setup - Epson 1200 w/Generation inks. I have 
no mottling problem with Royal Plush or Somerset Enhanced. I 
use ColorVision's RGB Profiler to profile the papers. I'm using 
the Film Back Light setting in the Epson print driver. I have 
printed some grayscale images using the color settings and can 
get a fairly non-meterisim print. In my case I just added a touch 
magenta to get rid of the green/cyan tone. 

Could the Epson print driver have the wrong setting? What profile 
program are you using? What version of Photoshop do you 
have?

Best Regards,

John V.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "John Vitollo" <jvlist@h...> wrote:
snip
...I'm using 
> the Film Back Light setting in the Epson print driver.
Tried it, still mottling in some colors.

> Could the Epson print driver have the wrong setting?
I've tried every concievable media setting.

 What profile 
> program are you using?
Profiler Pro.

 What version of Photoshop do you 
> have?
6.01
I still think it's the ink, who knows? I've always had this problem with color pigs.
Tyler

> A little further digging and I came up with Richard Wolfson's site  
> where he
> talks about the GQ2 ink.
>
> http://www.richardwolfson.com/quadblack/

I had a look at this site as well as the Media Street website.

Before I fork out for another vaguely described ink, I would like to  
see some independent views on it, particularly its archival qualities.

I may not be from Missouri, but I need a good deal of convincing when  
the first sentence in the description is this:

"GQ2 is the new, much improved pigment-based Black & White ink set I  
designed for Media Street, and for my own world-class Black & White  
fine art digital printing."

...and you can use new, improved Tide for world-class laundry, too,  
if you happen to spill any GQ2 on your imported-silk designer pants.

Myron



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I Agree, Myron, especially after what Paul Roark said.  Paul has a long
history here and has been so helpful to anybody who asks.  I don't think I
like the origins of this new ink and I'm sorry I even posted Mr. Wolfson's
site.

Tom Husband

On 6/3/07, Myron Gochnauer <goch@...> wrote:

> I had a look at this site as well as the Media Street website.
>
> Before I fork out for another vaguely described ink, I would like to
> see some independent views on it, particularly its archival qualities.
>
> I may not be from Missouri, but I need a good deal of convincing when
> the first sentence in the description is this:
>
> "GQ2 is the new, much improved pigment-based Black & White ink set I
> designed for Media Street, and for my own world-class Black & White
> fine art digital printing."
>
> ...and you can use new, improved Tide for world-class laundry, too,
> if you happen to spill any GQ2 on your imported-silk designer pants.
>
> Myron
>


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In a message dated 6/3/07 6:39:20 PM, goch@... writes:


> > A little further digging and I came up with Richard Wolfson's site 
> > where he
> > talks about the GQ2 ink.
> 
Richard is a long-time friend. I spent a good deal of time assisting him with 
development of earlier custom B&W inks and printing systems, but as it has 
become easier, and he's become more familiar with it, I've been less involved, 
though still interested, in his later developments. I have prints from all of 
his systems, and without doubt, each is an improvement on the last.
> >
> > http://www.richardwolfson.com/quadblack/
> 
> I had a look at this site as well as the Media Street website.
> 
> Before I fork out for another vaguely described ink, I would like to 
> see some independent views on it, particularly its archival qualities.
> 
Its long life encapulated pigment ink, in the general category of MIS or 
Epson inks. No specific longevity testing that I've looked at, however.
> 
> I may not be from Missouri, but I need a good deal of convincing when 
> the first sentence in the description is this:
> 
> "GQ2 is the new, much improved pigment-based Black & White ink set I 
> designed for Media Street, and for my own world-class Black & White 
> fine art digital printing."
> 
It may strike you as an odd angle, but its a fair and honest description of 
Richard's work; both the ink development, and his printing. I'm not 
recommending the MediaStreet inks above Cone or MIS inks, I   haven't done comprehensive 
comparisons of the latest versions of all of them; but Richard is a consumate 
craftsman with a lot to offer in his ink development, as well as his 
photography.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Division
DataColor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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With all due respect to Paul, I believe Richard has been working in this area even longer 
and has many years of experience.
Perhaps there is not a wide user base to report here yet, and perhaps not a lot of 
documentation. Those are different issues entirely.
My thought would be that if Richard Wolfson uses it, and put it together, it's probably 
worth a look.
Tyler


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Husband" 
<tom.husband@...> wrote:

>
> I Agree, Myron, especially after what Paul Roark said.  Paul has a long
> history here and has been so helpful to anybody who asks.  I don't think I
> like the origins of this new ink and I'm sorry I even posted Mr. Wolfson's
> site.
> 
> Tom Husband
> 
> On 6/3/07, Myron Gochnauer <goch@...> wrote:
> 
> > I had a look at this site as well as the Media Street website.
> >
> > Before I fork out for another vaguely described ink, I would like to
> > see some independent views on it, particularly its archival qualities.
> >
> > I may not be from Missouri, but I need a good deal of convincing when
> > the first sentence in the description is this:
> >
> > "GQ2 is the new, much improved pigment-based Black & White ink set I
> > designed for Media Street, and for my own world-class Black & White
> > fine art digital printing."
> >
> > ...and you can use new, improved Tide for world-class laundry, too,
> > if you happen to spill any GQ2 on your imported-silk designer pants.
> >
> > Myron
> >
> 
> 
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>

In a message dated 6/3/2007 7:56:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tom.husband@... writes:

I Agree,  Myron, especially after what Paul Roark said.  Paul has a long
history  here and has been so helpful to anybody who asks.  I don't think  I
like the origins of this new ink and I'm sorry I even posted Mr.  Wolfson's
site.

Tom Husband



I'm glad you posted the site, as well as the site David posted. Wolfson's  
photographs are some of the finest I've seen from digital. In addition, I have  
used MediaStreet G Quad inks in my 2200 and find them to be very versatile and 
 able to yield print tones from cold thru warm and into what they call  
'platinum', but I find the 'platinum' to be brownish on Silver Rag. In the 2200,  
you can load MK and PK along with the gloss enhancer cart for PK. I like the  
results with Silver Rag, which fit some of my images from Venice very nicely.  
These inks are slow drying and require the lifting of the last set of wheels 
to  prevent streaks from the rollers. They provide the wheel lifters with  
instructions for use.
 
Richard (Brooklyn)



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