Digital BW, The Print

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> Thanks for the feedback Don.
> 
> Am intending to try filling cartridges first before hooking up the 
> cfs system. 
> It did seem a little odd that mis dont seem to think it will be a 
> problem without flushing, but other suppliers do consider it to be an 
> issue.
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> Keith
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "D. Hill" 
> <hill14701@y...> wrote:
> > I've only had problems when I have not flushed the
> > 1160's before using Eboni.  It will save you alot of
> > headaches if you flush first.
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > --- kalooo12000 <pix@k...> wrote:
> > > Have decided to go 1160 printer route with mis ut
> > > eboni inks for BW 
> > > printing.
> > > Has anyone experienced any problems using the ut
> > > inks straight after 
> > > the standard epson dye inks?
> > > I understand this should be OK, but am just a little
> > > concerned as to 
> > > whether I should flush the epson ink out with
> > > cartridges.
> > > 
> > > Regards,  Keith
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> I've never had a problem with my 1280 and eboni -
> especially when changing from epson dye.  However the
> 1160 seems much more prone to eboni problems - bad
> mojo maybe.  After about 5 good prints the prints get
> very banded.  All three of mine just hated the mix, so
> it is better with the 1160 model to use actual
> cleaning cartridges.
> 
> 
> --- Bob Michaels <bob@b...> wrote:
> > MIS tells you not to mix Eboni and dye in the same
> > cart, but it is OK
> > to remove a dye cart and just put in an Eboni one.
> > My experience
> > agrees with this. I've been swapping my Eboni filled
> > CFS carts and dye
> > ink prefilled carts while trying to solve a CFS feed
> > problem in my
> > 1280. No nozzle clogging that a few cleaning cycles
> > wouldn't cure. 
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kalooo12000 [mailto:pix@...] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:41 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ink mixing - MIS ut eboni with epson dye
> 
> Hopefully I will not be swapping back and forth between bw 
> and dye, but having just bought a new 1160 I do not want to 
> clog it up by doing the wrong thing.
> 
> Anyone else run eboni straight after epson dyes without problems?
> 
> Many thanks for the input.
> 
> Keith
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "D. Hill" 
> <hill14701@y...> wrote:
> > I've never had a problem with my 1280 and eboni - especially when 
> > changing from epson dye.  However the 1160 seems much more prone to 
> > eboni problems - bad mojo maybe.  After about 5 good prints 
> the prints 
> > get very banded.  All three of mine just hated the mix, so it is 
> > better with the 1160 model to use actual cleaning cartridges.
> > 
> > 
> > --- Bob Michaels <bob@b...> wrote:
> > > MIS tells you not to mix Eboni and dye in the same cart, 
> but it is 
> > > OK to remove a dye cart and just put in an Eboni one.
> > > My experience
> > > agrees with this. I've been swapping my Eboni filled CFS 
> carts and 
> > > dye ink prefilled carts while trying to solve a CFS feed 
> problem in 
> > > my 1280. No nozzle clogging that a few cleaning cycles wouldn't 
> > > cure.
> > 
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> Keith, another thing I haven't noticed anyone mention is
> the fact that you still have a bit of residual color in
> the printhead and ink lines.  Even if you don't have any
> incompatibility in chemistry, I would suggest flushing
> just because you won't see a gradual change of neutral
> or strange tonality while the small amount of residual
> color ink dilutes slightly contaminates the b/w inks.
> 
> -kris
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