Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 2361
2004-07-14 by Jim Harris
AUTOMATIC RESPONSE - I'M OUT OF THE OFFICE UNTIL AUGUST 5TH.
I am conducting botanical research in a remote region of arctic Canada until the 5th of August. I will try to check my e-mail when passing through communities with e-mail access, but it may be a few days before I'm able to respond to your message.
Students taking the TV General Biology class: If you need immediate help with questions or concerns about the course, you can contact my grader, Nick, by e-mail at: uv_22@... or by phone at: 801-318-7638. He can answer questions about test and assignment scores, course timeline and deadlines, etc.
Jim Harris
>>> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint 07/14/04 14:03 >>>
There are 17 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: HP PrintersShow quoted textHide quoted text
From: "Alan Zinn" <lookaround360@panoramacamera.us>
2. increasing ink load in IP (was best paper for B/W)
From: "johnmuir.geo" <johnmuir.geo@...>
3. Re: Taking a printer as cargo on an aircraft - unpressurised?
From: "craig" <craygc@...>
4. Re: Taking a printer as cargo on an aircraft - unpressurised?
From: "craig" <craygc@...>
5. I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
From: "tigertwous" <jfisher@schillers.com>
6. Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
From: "stephane_bosman" <stephane_bosman@...>
7. Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
From: "alanwdd" <alan_wlasuk@...>
8. Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
From: "mxgo95747" <mxgo95747@...>
9. Ansel Adams Exhibit in Myrtle Beach South Carolina
From: "Johnny Eades" <jeades1@...>
10. Re: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
From: Cort Anderson <cort@...>
11. Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
From: "alanwdd" <alan_wlasuk@...>
12. Re: HP Printers
From: "warinstephan" <stephanwarin@...>
13. Re: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
From: Ross Borgida <borgida@...>
14. Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@tylerboley.com>
15. Re: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
From: Cort Anderson <cort@...>
16. Re: Ansel Adams Exhibit in Myrtle Beach South Carolina
From: "ccolbertbw" <ccolbert@...>
17. Re: Ansel Adams Exhibit in Myrtle Beach South Carolina
From: "Randy Rancier" <rrancier@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:29:11 -0000
From: "Alan Zinn" <lookaround360@panoramacamera.us>
Subject: Re: HP Printers
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "D. Hill"
<hill14701@y...> wrote:
> Currently, my local CompUSA has the 7660 refurb's for
> 79.00 (Grand Rapids, Michigan) but it may be a
> national sale.
>
> The nice thing about these printers is that the print
> head is on the cartridge itself, so if it clogs you
> are not out a printer... I can't quite see what or
> why mine is a refurb (perfect condition, excellent
> prints), but this printer is quite amazing with 6x9
> images.
>
> Don
> Recovering Epson Addict
>
>
> >
> > The 7660 printer itself costs a little over $100,
> > and costs for ink and
> > paper are approximately $1.70 per print (6 x 9"
> > image size).
> >
> > -- Nick
> >
>
>
Don or anybody,
Have you tried printing pans with this printer? Does it do "user
size"? I'd like to print long pics on roll paper.
AZ
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:30:32 -0000
From: "johnmuir.geo" <johnmuir.geo@...>
Subject: increasing ink load in IP (was best paper for B/W)
I've tried the Moab Entrada with mk using the IP profile, and it's
very nice. Now, if I could just load a little more ink on this paper!
How can I tell IP how to do this?
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:10:48 -0000
From: "craig" <craygc@...>
Subject: Re: Taking a printer as cargo on an aircraft - unpressurised?
Alex,
On what is obviously a much shorter flight, I carried an Epson 1160
with a CFS and full bottles attached from Bangkok to Singapore (about
2.5 hours) as checkin luggage without any problems. As long as the
pressure can equilise on both sides of the ink you wont have any
problems - this has to happen even under pressurisation.
As others have mentioned I think you'll find cargo holds *are*
usually pressurised and heated as well - too many items would be
damaged and or too dangerous. When was the last time you ever pick up
checkin luggage and found it was freezing? Where do they usually put
any pets???
have a good trip back to Oz
Craig / Beijing
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:22:15 -0000
From: "craig" <craygc@...>
Subject: Re: Taking a printer as cargo on an aircraft - unpressurised?
Alex,
On what is obviously a much shorter flight, I carried an Epson 1160
with a CFS and full bottles attached from Bangkok to Singapore (about
2.5 hours) as checkin luggage without any problems.
As long as the pressure can equilise on both sides of the ink you
wont have any problems - this even applies under pressurisation.
As Scott mentioned I think you'll find cargo holds *are*
usually pressurised and heated as well - most commercial aircraft are
connected (lifts, walkways etc) between cabin and cargo anyway so
they would have to be pressurised
regards
Craig / Beijing
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:22:22 -0000
From: "tigertwous" <jfisher@schillers.com>
Subject: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
I've just ordered my set of Piezography inks from IJM for my Epson 7600 inked
with matt black UC inks, I'm running Studio Print 10 from a Windows XP Pro system
and will have access to a X-rite DTP41. I plan on using Epson Enhanced Matte to learn
on but will move up to some other types as I get my feet wet. Any suggestions as to
what I should do first (other than the obvious) I usually just play around and find my
way in the dark and eventually come up with what I need, but I thought if I ask you
folks I may be able to shorten the time it takes to achieve some successful results.
Thanks I'm looking forward to making some spectacular prints in the future.
Jack Fisher
St. Louis, MO
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:43:28 -0000
From: "stephane_bosman" <stephane_bosman@...>
Subject: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
IMHO, you have just wasted money. I have spent a year using Cone Piezo inks and have
just replaced them with MIS UT2. Guess what, the same file printed on the same paper
with both inksets are absolutely impossible to tell apart if printed with the same warm
tonality. And UT2 allows me neutral and cool prints, which Piezo does not.
Add to this the suite of unkept promises from Cone, the overpriced useless software and
I'm done with them.
Good luck anyway in your new endeavour :-)
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tigertwous" <jfisher@s...> wrote:
> I've just ordered my set of Piezography inks from IJM for my Epson 7600 inked
> with matt black UC inks, I'm running Studio Print 10 from a Windows XP Pro system
> and will have access to a X-rite DTP41. I plan on using Epson Enhanced Matte to learn
> on but will move up to some other types as I get my feet wet. Any suggestions as to
> what I should do first (other than the obvious) I usually just play around and find my
> way in the dark and eventually come up with what I need, but I thought if I ask you
> folks I may be able to shorten the time it takes to achieve some successful results.
>
> Thanks I'm looking forward to making some spectacular prints in the future.
>
> Jack Fisher
> St. Louis, MO
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:06:04 -0000
From: "alanwdd" <alan_wlasuk@...>
Subject: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
Stephane:
I was once a Piezo user - I still look at some of the old prints that
I made with the PS PlugIn - they were good.
When they moved to the ICC format I rode along - I could never get a
good print.
I continue to be confused by the Piezo failure and lack of ownership
in the failure. Sometimes I wonder if this is a problem caused by an
artistic approach to technology. Deadlines are presented, missed and
never acknowledged. The idea that each print setup needs to be
taylored with a custom ICC set (this being how they propose to fix
customers like me who could not get their systems working) makes me
wonder if they really know what they are doing. Epson and other
printer vendors spend millions on making sure every printer is
identical. So ... gets the inks indentical and get a good ICC - not
so much magic.
I've switched to the UT2 inks and am happy with the results -
However, I still look at the Piezo prints and want to move back when
Piezo gets back on track.
Perhaps the biggest difference between Piezo and UT2 is the fact that
people are treated as real customers on the UT2 side. Paul has
answered each of my e-mails the same day.
We all know some big vendor will walk in soon and present a viable
B&W solution that we can buy and use as easily as we do color these
days. Untik then the market will stay with the little guy who
provides service.
A ramble ... I feel poorly for the Piezo folks - a good product
spoiled by a lack of understanding of technology and how to do
business. My greatest respects for the UT2 folks - a good product
supported by people who are willing to do anything to make it a
sucess.
AW
--- In
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "stephane_bosman"
<stephane_bosman@y...> wrote:
> IMHO, you have just wasted money. I have spent a year using Cone
Piezo inks and have
> just replaced them with MIS UT2. Guess what, the same file printed
on the same paper
> with both inksets are absolutely impossible to tell apart if
printed with the same warm
> tonality. And UT2 allows me neutral and cool prints, which Piezo
does not.
>
> Add to this the suite of unkept promises from Cone, the overpriced
useless software and
> I'm done with them.
>
> Good luck anyway in your new endeavour :-)
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tigertwous"
<jfisher@s...> wrote:
> > I've just ordered my set of Piezography inks from IJM for my
Epson 7600 inked
> > with matt black UC inks, I'm running Studio Print 10 from a
Windows XP Pro system
> > and will have access to a X-rite DTP41. I plan on using Epson
Enhanced Matte to learn
> > on but will move up to some other types as I get my feet wet. Any
suggestions as to
> > what I should do first (other than the obvious) I usually just
play around and find my
> > way in the dark and eventually come up with what I need, but I
thought if I ask you
> > folks I may be able to shorten the time it takes to achieve some
successful results.
> >
> > Thanks I'm looking forward to making some spectacular prints in
the future.
> >
> > Jack Fisher
> > St. Louis, MO
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:18:28 -0000
From: "mxgo95747" <mxgo95747@...>
Subject: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
I am looking at buying an Epson 1280 and I would like to print some of my photos
with the look of the original piezography inks. In reading comments from the various
users of those inks, it is said that the "warm neutral ink with museum black" will give
me that look. Question, will the UT2 inks give that same look?
thanks,
Martin
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:33:00 -0000
From: "Johnny Eades" <jeades1@...>
Subject: Ansel Adams Exhibit in Myrtle Beach South Carolina
Hello All,
I don't know how many of us in this group live near or are planning
to visit Myrtle Beach, SC before the end of October; but there is an
exhibit of 50 of Ansel Adams images on display starting Friday of
this week at Burroughs-Chapin Museum of Art at 3100 South Ocean
Boulevard till October 31 of this year. If you can, please visit and
be inspired by his photographs. I saw them in Atlanta last year and
plan to see this exhibit at least once a week till it leaves. I live
about 2 hours away from there. This is the website for the museum of
art http://www.myrtlebeachartmuseum.org/current_museum_exhibit.htm
Your friend in Photography,
Johnny
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:35:29 -0500
From: Cort Anderson <cort@...>
Subject: Re: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
I just researched all the options and went with the piezography inks
with a CIS on a 1280. I love the results, what I didn't do is get into
the ICC stuff. I did a quick set up with QTR and am getting outstanding
prints. I seriously looked at the MIS inks, they are more versatile and
cheaper. I don't need the versatility and I like the way the piezo inks
look enough that I spent the extra bucks.
The customer service at IJM is not the greatest, it takes awhile to get
through to someone, but when I finally did they were helpful.
cort
--
Cort Anderson
Training Wheels, llc
www.trwheels.com
620-488-2960
620-488-3196 fax
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:43:19 -0000
From: "alanwdd" <alan_wlasuk@...>
Subject: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
Cort:
What platform (PC/MAC) are you using?
Which Piezo inks are you using?
Note the the hope in my e-mail.
AW
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cort Anderson
<cort@t...> wrote:
> I just researched all the options and went with the piezography
inks
> with a CIS on a 1280. I love the results, what I didn't do is get
into
> the ICC stuff. I did a quick set up with QTR and am getting
outstanding
> prints. I seriously looked at the MIS inks, they are more versatile
and
> cheaper. I don't need the versatility and I like the way the piezo
inks
> look enough that I spent the extra bucks.
>
> The customer service at IJM is not the greatest, it takes awhile to
get
> through to someone, but when I finally did they were helpful.
>
> cort
>
> --
> Cort Anderson
> Training Wheels, llc
> www.trwheels.com
> 620-488-2960
> 620-488-3196 fax
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:07:20 -0000
From: "warinstephan" <stephanwarin@minitel.net>
Subject: Re: HP Printers
Max print size with my 7960: 21,6 cm x 35,5 cm.
If anyone knows how to print longer pictures...
>
> Have you tried printing pans with this printer? Does it do "user
> size"? I'd like to print long pics on roll paper.
>
> AZ
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:14:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ross Borgida <borgida@...>
Subject: Re: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
I just started using the UT2 setup a few weeks ago. The results are absolutely outstanding. Instead of using canned profiles, you can use the curves (provided on www.inksupply.com website) to edjust the tonality of your images. The MIS setup requires a little more effort in the initial setup but Paul Roark is there to help you along the way..just send him an email and he will get back to you.
Either setup is great...a friend of mine uses piezo inks and the results are wonderful as well!
Good luck
Ross
Cort Anderson <cort@...m> wrote:
I just researched all the options and went with the piezography inks
with a CIS on a 1280. I love the results, what I didn't do is get into
the ICC stuff. I did a quick set up with QTR and am getting outstanding
prints. I seriously looked at the MIS inks, they are more versatile and
cheaper. I don't need the versatility and I like the way the piezo inks
look enough that I spent the extra bucks.
The customer service at IJM is not the greatest, it takes awhile to get
through to someone, but when I finally did they were helpful.
cort
--
Cort Anderson
Training Wheels, llc
www.trwheels.com
620-488-2960
620-488-3196 fax
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:50:09 -0000
From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...>
Subject: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
Believe me, you will get wonderful results from that combo. I can't
imagine going with the UC K ink instead of one of the Cone K inks though.
Make sure you shake those carts every week or so, and try to print a
little something weekly as well to keep the ink from settling in the
lines. A common problem with many inks these days easily avoided.
Tyler
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tigertwous"
<jfisher@s...> wrote:
> I've just ordered my set of Piezography inks from IJM for my Epson
7600 inked
> with matt black UC inks, I'm running Studio Print 10 from a Windows
XP Pro system
> and will have access to a X-rite DTP41. I plan on using Epson
Enhanced Matte to learn
> on but will move up to some other types as I get my feet wet. Any
suggestions as to
> what I should do first (other than the obvious) I usually just play
around and find my
> way in the dark and eventually come up with what I need, but I
thought if I ask you
> folks I may be able to shorten the time it takes to achieve some
successful results.
>
> Thanks I'm looking forward to making some spectacular prints in the
future.
>
> Jack Fisher
> St. Louis, MO
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:00:16 -0500
From: Cort Anderson <cort@...>
Subject: Re: Re: I'm going with Cone Editions Inks
On Jul 14, 2004, at 11:14 AM, Ross Borgida wrote:
> Either setup is great...a friend of mine uses piezo inks and the
> results are wonderful as well!
I agree, I went with piezo because I am a little more interested in
production than experimentation. In my situation I really didn't want a
bunch of options for tone when I print, too tempting to play too much.
On Jul 14, 2004, at 10:43 AM, alanwdd wrote:
> What platform (PC/MAC) are you using?
> Which Piezo inks are you using?
I am on a Mac using the warm neutral inks with museum black. I have a
densitometer that I traded a client some work for and that made a big
difference in setting up QTR. I did do two 21 step charts, one with QTR
and one with the ICC before linearizing QTR. The test charts were close
to each other until I did the linearization and then there was a very
noticeable difference.
The CIS from IJM was less than expected and gave me some problems until
I got through to them and now most of those are resolved.
cort
--
Cort Anderson
Training Wheels, llc
www.trwheels.com
620-488-2960
620-488-3196 fax
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:13:07 -0000
From: "ccolbertbw" <ccolbert@...>
Subject: Re: Ansel Adams Exhibit in Myrtle Beach South Carolina
I second the motion to seek out this exhibition if possible. I saw it
at our local science museum a couple of years ago. I went back
three times during the week when no one else was there. Not
even any docents. Just me and Ansel ;-). Really something to see.
David H. Gibson's BW exhibition (search under valley house, but the
web pics truly don't do the prints justice) is also unbelievable.
There are clouds and light streams that literally come out of
the plane of the print!
These are always in my mind when I ask myself whether my
quadtone prints are any good.
Costa Colbert
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades"
<jeades1@s...>
wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I don't know how many of us in this group live near or are planning
> to visit Myrtle Beach, SC before the end of October; but there is
an
> exhibit of 50 of Ansel Adams images on display starting Friday of
> this week at Burroughs-Chapin Museum of Art at 3100 South Ocean
> Boulevard till October 31 of this year. If you can, please visit
and
> be inspired by his photographs. I saw them in Atlanta last year and
> plan to see this exhibit at least once a week till it leaves. I
live
> about 2 hours away from there. This is the website for the museum
of
> art http://www.myrtlebeachartmuseum.org/current_museum_exhibit.htm
>
>
> Your friend in Photography,
>
> Johnny
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:00:16 -0000
From: "Randy Rancier" <rrancier@cityofkeller.com>
Subject: Re: Ansel Adams Exhibit in Myrtle Beach South Carolina
A great show I saw several years ago at a small Museum in West Texas
(Abilene). As I recall the show contains many vintage prints from
Ansel's early year's, from negatives that were destroyed in a fire;
they are simply beautiful.
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades"
<jeades1@s...> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I don't know how many of us in this group live near or are planning
> to visit Myrtle Beach, SC before the end of October; but there is
an
> exhibit of 50 of Ansel Adams images on display starting Friday of
> this week at Burroughs-Chapin Museum of Art at 3100 South Ocean
> Boulevard till October 31 of this year. If you can, please visit
and
> be inspired by his photographs. I saw them in Atlanta last year and
> plan to see this exhibit at least once a week till it leaves. I
live
> about 2 hours away from there. This is the website for the museum
of
> art http://www.myrtlebeachartmuseum.org/current_museum_exhibit.htm
>
>
> Your friend in Photography,
>
> Johnny
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