Digital BW, The Print

I thought I would contribute a comment that some may have some trouble believing.  Be 
assurred that I, too, found my conclusion difficult to accept but, as they say, the proof is in 
the pudding.  I have a 4000 which has delighted me!  The color is impeccably accurate and 
pleasing. The black and white printing is better than any other printer I've owned. Out of 
the box good black and white prints.   Premiere Art Spray finishes off the color prints and I 
am totally satisfied with the final result.   Now, here's what I want to share with the group: 
I'm one of those who can't resist a good deal so when I got my C84 for $7.50 I was elated! 
So, just for fun, I thought I would print the same file with both the 4000 and the C84.  I 
figured I could then see the far superior B@W printing ability of the 4000.  It was not to be.  
Both printers produced the same quality print.  I couldn't tell them apart.  It took a while 
for this to sink in!  I asked myself: "I paid $1800 for a printer that can be matched by my 
$7.50 printer?  There was no discernable difference between the two prints in shadow 
detai, tonal smoothness, sharpness, and Dmax.  So, if a person is going to be satisfied 
with prints no bigger than 8x10, the C84 will the job as well.  I've owned the Epson 750, 
the 760, the 890, the 1280, the 4000, and the noble C84, and the latter two are the best.  
Of course all the above is subjective.  In conclusion, all the above was done using all OEM 
inks.  
Happy Printing!
Joe

Hello Joe,

>There was no discernable difference between the two prints in shadow 
>detail, tonal smoothness, sharpness, and Dmax.  

Thanks for the report.  Food for thought for a lot of folks, I'm sure.

I'm wondering if you can do an experiment for me, it won't take long
or use up much of anything.  I'm a great fan of Black Only printing,
and I recently saw several BO prints from a 4000 and was impressed by
the unique dither pattern which seemed to eliminate all dither
banding.  Your comments make me wonder if the C64 has the same dither
pattern as the 4000?

Could you make a small print on both machines using the Black Only
setting and examine them with a loupe to see if they use the same
pattern?  If the C64 uses that pattern there might be one sitting on
my desk before long.  Thanks very much if you can find time to do
this.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

--- Clayton Jones <cj@...> wrote:

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Hello Joe,
I'm wondering if you can do an experiment for me, it
won't take long or use up much of anything.  I'm a
great fan of Black Only printing, and I recently saw
several BO prints from a 4000 and was impressed by the
unique dither pattern which seemed to eliminate all
dither banding.  Your comments make me wonder if the
C64 has the same dither
pattern as the 4000?

Could you make a small print on both machines using
the Black Only setting and examine them with a loupe
to see if they use the same pattern?  If the C64 uses
that pattern there might be one sitting on my desk
before long.  Thanks very much if you can find time to
do
this.
Regards,
Clayton

Clayton,
I would be delighted to accomodate you.  I will do the
above if you prefer, but I'd find it interesting to
subject the prints to your experienced eye.  If you'd
like, I'll make a BO print on each printer and mail
them to you for your examination.  I would welcome
your critique on the two prints regarding printer
performance.   Printing size? Would 8x10's suffice?  I
need an address to mail to, and will promptly submit
the prints for your scrutiny.  
P.S. I have been doing nothing but B0 with the 4000
and have been astonished how well the printer
performs.  
Joe



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Hello Joe,

>I would be delighted to accomodate you.  I will do the
>above if you prefer, but I'd find it interesting to
>subject the prints to your experienced eye.  If you'd
>like, I'll make a BO print on each printer and mail
>them to you for your examination.  I would welcome
>your critique on the two prints regarding printer
>performance.   Printing size? Would 8x10's suffice?  I
>need an address to mail to, and will promptly submit
>the prints for your scrutiny.  
>P.S. I have been doing nothing but B0 with the 4000
>and have been astonished how well the printer
>performs.  

Thank you!  I sent you an email.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm