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2004-07-19 by James_Ble
Hi Everyone, After quite a bit of experimenting I'm concluding (as has been said previously on the list) that my Digital Rebel doesn't offer the tonal range I need for black and white. So I'm going to move back to medium format. Now I need to buy a scanner to scan medium format film. Can anyone suggest a good one that's affordable? Thanks, James
2004-07-19 by john dean
If I were you I would spend some time on the NikonCoolscan8000-900 Yahoo group and print some of those comments out. Pay particular attention to the new glass carrier out there that allows you to fluid mount with Kami drum mounting fluid. You need to be aware that the Nikon can have focus problems with medium format (I've had difficulty making the film lie flat) but many, many, people are suggesting this newly designed (not by Nikon) glass carrier is the answer. I use the NIkon Supercoolscan 4000 and the 8000 where I teach for my less important work, and it does pick up scratches and dirt easily. The digital ice feature can work well on small color files but not at all with black and white and degrades the sharpness of all large files in my opinion.This fluid mounting could really eliminate that dirt and scratches headache and possibly improve the dynamic range a little bit also. But, like I just said , keeping the film flat with a Nikon and medium format is very important. Although I use drum scans most of the time I would like to pick up one of these 8000's for some of my work because of the firewire speed of working. Finally, look on Ebay. I have seen a ton of these Nikon' 8000's there and a lot of them have warranties and are new. The photo stores in big cities are trying to clear them out for the new 9000's which seem to be almost the same scanner . But go to that website and read.
2004-07-19 by Austin Franklin
Hi James, > After quite a bit of experimenting I'm concluding (as has been > said previously on the > list) that my Digital Rebel doesn't offer the tonal range I need > for black and white. Ooh, what a surprise conclusion ;-) > So > I'm going to move back to medium format. Now I need to buy a > scanner to scan > medium format film. Can anyone suggest a good one that's affordable? If you are technically inclined, than nothing beats the Leafscan 45 for B&W scanning. It'll scan MF at 2540 SPI, so if that's enough for your needs, you will be very happy with the results. It'll scan 35mm at 5080 BTW. Regards, Austin
2004-07-20 by THOMAS MOORE
I've had pretty good luck with my Minolta Scan Multi Pro. Comes equipped with 35mm holder, 35mm slide holder and glass 6x6m 6x7, 6x9 holder. Bought it factory re-conditioned off Ebay from 47th Street Photo in New York. http://www.minoltausa.com/eprise/main/MinoltaUSA/MUSAContent/CPG/CPGProducts ?cname=scan on 7/19/04 6:49 PM, john dean at deanwork2003@... wrote: If I were you I would spend some time on the NikonCoolscan8000-900 Yahoo group and print some of those comments out. Pay particular attention to the new glass carrier out there that allows you to fluid mount with Kami drum mounting fluid. You need to be aware that the Nikon can have focus problems with medium format (I've had difficulty making the film lie flat) but many, many, people are suggesting this newly designed (not by Nikon) glass carrier is the answer. I use the NIkon Supercoolscan 4000 and the 8000 where I teach for my less important work, and it does pick up scratches and dirt easily. The digital ice feature can work well on small color files but not at all with black and white and degrades the sharpness of all large files in my opinion.This fluid mounting could really eliminate that dirt and scratches headache and possibly improve the dynamic range a little bit also. But, like I just said , keeping the film flat with a Nikon and medium format is very important. Although I use drum scans most of the time I would like to pick up one of these 8000's for some of my work because of the firewire speed of working. Finally, look on Ebay. I have seen a ton of these Nikon' 8000's there and a lot of them have warranties and are new. The photo stores in big cities are trying to clear them out for the new 9000's which seem to be almost the same scanner . But go to that website and read. Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns ubscribe> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-07-20 by Andre
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@i...> wrote: > > If you are technically inclined, than nothing beats the Leafscan 45 for B&W > scanning. Hi Austin, How different is the Leafscan 45 from other scanners that one needs to be technically inclined to use it ? Are there others things involved beside putting the negative correctly on the drum ? Any source for manuals, film carriers/holders, drivers, and cables ? And what about servicing or is this where one had to be technically inclined ? TIA, Andre
2004-07-20 by James M. Bleifus
Austin, Thanks, that really tickled my funny bone. I didn't have any luck finding a leafscan for sale (except for one on ebay that was cannibalized) but I'll keep my eyes open. Why do you say that someone needs to be technically inclined to use it? Cheers, James On Monday, July 19, 2004, at 03:50 PM, Austin Franklin wrote: > Ooh, what a surprise conclusion ;-) > -- http://bleifus.com The scholar's task is relatively analytic, whereas the artist's is synthetic; academics enjoy disassembling things in order to understand how they work, whereas artists enjoy taking scattered pieces and assembling from them things that do work - Robert Adams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-07-20 by Paul Roark
With the 9000 out, I'd look for someone selling a Nikon 8000 cheap. Paul www.PaulRoark.com ________________
-----Original Message----- From: James_Ble [mailto:james@...] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:30 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Scanner for Medium Format Hi Everyone, After quite a bit of experimenting I'm concluding (as has been said previously on the list) that my Digital Rebel doesn't offer the tonal range I need for black and white. So I'm going to move back to medium format. Now I need to buy a scanner to scan medium format film. Can anyone suggest a good one that's affordable? Thanks, James Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2004-07-20 by Ken Carney
> > After quite a bit of experimenting I'm concluding (as has been said > > previously on the > > list) that my Digital Rebel doesn't offer the tonal range I > need for > > black and white. > > Ooh, what a surprise conclusion ;-) I've been wondering about this very point. I bought a Drebel a few months ago and some Canon lenses to test the water. So far, the b&w prints, to my eye, have more range than prints from scans from 35mm made with the Nikon 4000ED scanner or the Eversmart, or darkroom prints. This is primarily TriX/D761:1 with good glass. My printer is an Epson 2200 with UC inks and the ImagePrint RIP. Of course, prints from scans (or darkroom) from my 4x5 or 8x10 negs are no contest, no surprises there. I don't do much 120 since I don't see the point, i.e., if you're going to have a big camera with a slow lens, a 4x5 field kit takes up less space than a Hasselblad outfit. (My sister-in-law bought a Nikon 9000 a few weeks ago but hasn't had time to set it up...I'm going to have to drift over there and see what it can do). Anyway, I'm curious: Do you know of any print tests that compare, say, the Drebel or 10D b&w prints to scanned film or darkroom prints? (at small sizes such as 10x15 or less) Regards, --Ken Carney
2004-07-20 by Austin Franklin
Hi Andre, > > If you are technically inclined, than nothing beats the Leafscan 45 > for B&W > > scanning. > > Hi Austin, > > How different is the Leafscan 45 from other scanners that one needs to > be technically inclined to use it ? Are there others things involved > beside putting the negative correctly on the drum ? It is not a drum scanner, it is a CCD scanner. It is a GPIB scanner on the PC, and you need to be slightly technically inclined to set-up the GPIB. Also, because it is an older scanner, it may need some lubrication/service, of which documentation is readily available. > Any source for manuals, film carriers/holders, drivers, and cables ? Everything is readily available. There is a yahoo group for the Leafscan: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Leafscan/ > And what about servicing or is this where one had to be technically > inclined ? It can be serviced, but since it is large and heavy, I suggest learning how to do it your self. *IF* anyone is inclined to get one, please ask me what to look for when buying one of these. Regards, Austin
2004-07-20 by BOB KRAMER
John, Which yahoo group are you referring to? Can you provide a link? The only one I found was the SuperCoolscan9000 group, which appears to be pretty much dormant (nine messages in six months). Thanks, Robert N. Kramer, AIA Cooper Carry, Inc 3520 Piedmont Road, NE Suite 200 Atlanta, Georgia 30305 tel: 404.237.2000 fax: 404.237.0276
-----Original Message----- From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@...] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:50 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Nikon Coolscan 8000-9000 See that Group If I were you I would spend some time on the NikonCoolscan8000-900 Yahoo group and print some of those comments out. Pay particular attention to the new glass carrier out there that allows you to fluid mount with Kami drum mounting fluid. You need to be aware that the Nikon can have focus problems with medium format (I've had difficulty making the film lie flat) but many, many, people are suggesting this newly designed (not by Nikon) glass carrier is the answer.
2004-07-20 by Austin Franklin
Hi Ken, > So far, the b&w > prints, to my > eye, have more range than prints from scans from 35mm made with the Nikon > 4000ED scanner or the Eversmart, or darkroom prints. This is primarily > TriX/D761:1 with good glass. My printer is an Epson 2200 with UC inks and > the ImagePrint RIP. Then something is wrong... Many people use 35mm B&W for scanning (which may more be an issue with your scanner than anything else) and get superb results. > I don't do much > 120 since > I don't see the point, i.e., if you're going to have a big camera with a > slow lens, a 4x5 field kit takes up less space than a Hasselblad outfit. I disagree with both points. A Hasselblad is smaller and easier to use than a 4x5 field camera, and does not require a tripod...and uses roll film. Also, why do MF lenses have to be slow? I shoot with a 110/2, hardly a slow lense. There are a lot of advantages to a Hasselblad over 35mm (and 4x5). Compared to 35mm, you get a much larger negative, therefore less grain, and you get less depth of field...and you get a lot more negative to scan, and therefore can make much larger prints. Compared to 4x5, you get easier use, more lense selections, faster lenses, use of roll film...no tripod required, built-in metering... Now, you may prefer a 4x5 field camera, and that is, of course, fine. Unless you are using a monochromatic sensor, film will always perform far better (in almost any regard of image quality) than any Bayer pattern digicamera, at this point in time. Regards, Austin
2004-07-20 by john dean
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coolscan8000-9000/?yguid=181774681 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "BOB KRAMER" <bobkramer@c...> wrote: > John, > > Which yahoo group are you referring to? Can you provide a link? The only one I found was the SuperCoolscan9000 group, which appears to be pretty much dormant (nine messages in six months).
> > Thanks, > > Robert N. Kramer, AIA > Cooper Carry, Inc > 3520 Piedmont Road, NE Suite 200 Atlanta, Georgia 30305 > tel: 404.237.2000 fax: 404.237.0276 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@y...] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:50 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Nikon Coolscan 8000-9000 See that Group > > > If I were you I would spend some time on the > NikonCoolscan8000-900 Yahoo group and print some of those > comments out. Pay particular attention to the new glass carrier > out there that allows you to fluid mount with Kami drum > mounting fluid. You need to be aware that the Nikon can have > focus problems with medium format (I've had difficulty making > the film lie flat) but many, many, people are suggesting this > newly designed (not by Nikon) glass carrier is the answer.