Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
I have heard that the Fuji Pictography B&W prints also have a green 
tint. Anyone know if it is true? Is it call meter..rism.
I don't remember the name of the term.

thanks

luk

No, it is called "not calibrated". If the printer is not self 
calibrated every day (not just when changing donor) it will be off 
color. There is always a very slight color cast no matter what you do, 
after all it is a color process on a color material. I should know, I 
own a printer. I wish Fuji would make a black only donor (similar to 
what Kodak did for their dye-sub printers years ago).
Mark

On Jul 25, 2004, at 4:30 PM, luklau228 wrote:

> Hi,
>  I have heard that the Fuji Pictography B&W prints also have a green
>  tint. Anyone know if it is true? Is it call meter..rism.
>  I don't remember the name of the term.
>
>  thanks
>
>  luk
>
>
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Can someone please explain to me (I have no traditional darkroom background)
what the issues are with using a colour process for B&W re a Lightjet.
People have mentioned that it must print to colour paper.  Why is there such
a difference between colour and B&W paper and if we are simply talking about
exposing light sensitive paper with a laser then why can't these machines
expose B&W paper?

> From: Mark Savoia <mark@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:46:13 -0400
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Fuji Pictography B&W green tint?!
> 
> No, it is called "not calibrated". If the printer is not self
> calibrated every day (not just when changing donor) it will be off
> color. There is always a very slight color cast no matter what you do,
> after all it is a color process on a color material. I should know, I
> own a printer. I wish Fuji would make a black only donor (similar to
> what Kodak did for their dye-sub printers years ago).
> Mark
>

They can, Kodak makes a special black and white RC paper for Lightjets. 
There is a company in Germany who is suppose to have a Lightjet they 
modified to take black and white fiber based materials.
Mark

On Jul 26, 2004, at 8:42 AM, Steve Kale wrote:

> Can someone please explain to me (I have no traditional darkroom 
> background)
>  what the issues are with using a colour process for B&W re a Lightjet.
>  People have mentioned that it must print to colour paper.� Why is 
> there such
>  a difference between colour and B&W paper and if we are simply 
> talking about
>  exposing light sensitive paper with a laser then why can't these 
> machines
>  expose B&W paper?
>
>  > From: Mark Savoia <mark@...>
>  > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  > Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:46:13 -0400
>  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Fuji Pictography B&W green tint?!
>  >
>  > No, it is called "not calibrated". If the printer is not self
>  > calibrated every day (not just when changing donor) it will be off
>  > color. There is always a very slight color cast no matter what you 
> do,
>  > after all it is a color process on a color material. I should know, 
> I
>  > own a printer. I wish Fuji would make a black only donor (similar to
>  > what Kodak did for their dye-sub printers years ago).
>  > Mark
>  >
>
>
>
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Thank you for the info.
I am looking into getting the 4500 model.
Anything i should pay attention?
I don't even know where is the best place to get paper and donar.
Do you mind tell me the per paper cost.
How does it perform? Is it hard to maintain?
 
thank you 
 
luk

Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:
No, it is called "not calibrated". If the printer is not self 
calibrated every day (not just when changing donor) it will be off 
color. There is always a very slight color cast no matter what you do, 
after all it is a color process on a color material. I should know, I 
own a printer. I wish Fuji would make a black only donor (similar to 
what Kodak did for their dye-sub printers years ago).
Mark

		
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>There is a company in Germany who is suppose to have a Lightjet they 
modified to take black and white fiber based materials.

Mark

Do you, or does anyone, know the name of this company?

Olaf