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Ink Jet Prints

2004-08-16 by Roger Smith

Hi All,

A friend recently made a trip to Chicago Art Museum and low and behold, 
an exhibit in the basement with prints labeled as "Ink Jet Prints" - 
don't know the details, but I thought that was significant.

Roger Smith - E. Lansing, MI
On Aug 16, 2004, at 2:16 PM, 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> Agreed, and even more esoteric than the above, to the uninitiated.
> Too awkward and artificial sounding as well - sounds contrived or
> something...and still could include color prints.
>
> I still think Carbon Ink Print has fewer negatives and more positives
> than all the others.  But there seems to be some resistance to using
> the word "ink", as if somehow that lessens its stature.  To me it's
> just the oposite - it describes accurately what we're doing and adds
> an aura of distinction.  I think that's an important element in
> whatever name is ultimately used.  Our prints need a unique, distinct
> and elegant identity, one that implies as much respect and prestige as
> "platinum" does.  Imagine a prestigious gallery advertisement:
>
> Platinum prints
> Carbon Ink prints
> Silver-Gelatin Prints
> Gum Bichromate prints
> Carbon Prints
> Salt prints
> Albumen prints
> Photogravures
> Tintypes
> Daguerreotypes
> Calotypes
>
> Do any of the other terms fit here as well as Carbon Ink?  We need a
> term that carries its own weight in this line up.  It needs to:
>
> - accurately describe what it is to a layperson
> - be easy to remember and say, to "roll off the tongue easily"
> - not sound contrived, too mechanical or technical
> - not seem to be defensive (the term "archival" seems that way)
> - not be confused with anything else ("Ink" takes care of this)
> - imply longevity ("Carbon" is an already established term which does
> this)
> - fit, in an emotional or romantic sense, with the others
> in the list.  Somehow to me, anything with "pig" in it doesn't quite
> make it - it simply lacks elegance.
>
> Please understand that I'm not arguing for this because I made it up,
> I didn't.  It's just one of many that I've seen used (forums, web
> sites, books, magazines, gallery ads).  It just dawned on me one day
> that there was no agreement and that it's hurting acceptance, so I
> made a list of all the terms I knew of.  Carbon Ink Print is simply
> the one that seemed to best fit the requirements, and after a lot of
> thought it became apparent that someone needed to make an effort to
> get some agreement and get it moving along.  So I wrote the two
> articles on my web site in hopes that something will happen.
>
> IMO, quite a few years will have to pass before Carbon Ink Prints (or
> whatever we call them) gain the stature of the others in the mass
> mind.  Not because they are inferior, but simply because anything new
> has to take time to seep in and find its place, plus it is still an
> emerging technology.  I believe the term we use will play an important
> role in the length of time and degree to which this happens.  It
> partly a PR challenge.  Remember the story about how diamonds weren't
> a viable world-wide commodity until the "A Diamond Is Forever"
> campaign made them desireable in the mass market?
>
> It's not too late, but I think we need to get on with it.  I think we
> need to agree on something and begin using it and getting others on
> board.  Those of us who show, in galleries or any other venue, should
> insist that this term be used in the promotions.  Don't let the
> gallery owners decide for us.
>
> Regards,
> Clayton
>
>
> Info on black and white digital printing at
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>

Re: [Digital BW] Ink Jet Prints

2004-08-16 by Mark Savoia

Not sure by what you mean by significant?
Mark

On Aug 16, 2004, at 3:14 PM, Roger Smith wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>  A friend recently made a trip to Chicago Art Museum and low and 
> behold,
>  an exhibit in the basement with prints labeled as "Ink Jet Prints" -
>  don't know the details, but I thought that was significant.
>
>  Roger Smith - E. Lansing, MI
>  On Aug 16, 2004, at 2:16 PM,
>  DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>  > Agreed, and even more esoteric than the above, to the uninitiated.
>  > Too awkward and artificial sounding as well - sounds contrived or
>  > something...and still could include color prints.
>  >
>  > I still think Carbon Ink Print has fewer negatives and more 
> positives
>  > than all the others.� But there seems to be some resistance to using
>  > the word "ink", as if somehow that lessens its stature.� To me it's
>  > just the oposite - it describes accurately what we're doing and adds
>  > an aura of distinction.� I think that's an important element in
>  > whatever name is ultimately used.� Our prints need a unique, 
> distinct
>  > and elegant identity, one that implies as much respect and prestige 
> as
>  > "platinum" does.� Imagine a prestigious gallery advertisement:
>  >
>  > Platinum prints
>  > Carbon Ink prints
>  > Silver-Gelatin Prints
>  > Gum Bichromate prints
>  > Carbon Prints
>  > Salt prints
>  > Albumen prints
>  > Photogravures
>  > Tintypes
>  > Daguerreotypes
>  > Calotypes
>  >
>  > Do any of the other terms fit here as well as Carbon Ink?� We need a
>  > term that carries its own weight in this line up.� It needs to:
>  >
>  > - accurately describe what it is to a layperson
>  > - be easy to remember and say, to "roll off the tongue easily"
>  > - not sound contrived, too mechanical or technical
>  > - not seem to be defensive (the term "archival" seems that way)
>  > - not be confused with anything else ("Ink" takes care of this)
>  > - imply longevity ("Carbon" is an already established term which 
> does
>  > this)
>  > - fit, in an emotional or romantic sense, with the others
>  > in the list.� Somehow to me, anything with "pig" in it doesn't quite
>  > make it - it simply lacks elegance.
>  >
>  > Please understand that I'm not arguing for this because I made it 
> up,
>  > I didn't.� It's just one of many that I've seen used (forums, web
>  > sites, books, magazines, gallery ads).� It just dawned on me one day
>  > that there was no agreement and that it's hurting acceptance, so I
>  > made a list of all the terms I knew of.� Carbon Ink Print is simply
>  > the one that seemed to best fit the requirements, and after a lot of
>  > thought it became apparent that someone needed to make an effort to
>  > get some agreement and get it moving along.� So I wrote the two
>  > articles on my web site in hopes that something will happen.
>  >
>  > IMO, quite a few years will have to pass before Carbon Ink Prints 
> (or
>  > whatever we call them) gain the stature of the others in the mass
>  > mind.� Not because they are inferior, but simply because anything 
> new
>  > has to take time to seep in and find its place, plus it is still an
>  > emerging technology.� I believe the term we use will play an 
> important
>  > role in the length of time and degree to which this happens.� It
>  > partly a PR challenge.� Remember the story about how diamonds 
> weren't
>  > a viable world-wide commodity until the "A Diamond Is Forever"
>  > campaign made them desireable in the mass market?
>  >
>  > It's not too late, but I think we need to get on with it.� I think 
> we
>  > need to agree on something and begin using it and getting others on
>  > board.� Those of us who show, in galleries or any other venue, 
> should
>  > insist that this term be used in the promotions.� Don't let the
>  > gallery owners decide for us.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Clayton
>  >
>  >
>  > Info on black and white digital printing at
>  > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>  >
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Ink Jet Prints

2004-08-16 by BC

... which Chicago Art Museum did your friend visit?

BC
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roger Smith 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 2:14 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Ink Jet Prints


  Hi All,

  A friend recently made a trip to Chicago Art Museum and low and behold, 
  an exhibit in the basement with prints labeled as "Ink Jet Prints" - 
  don't know the details, but I thought that was significant.

  Roger Smith - E. Lansing, MI
  On Aug 16, 2004, at 2:16 PM, 
  DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:



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Re: [Digital BW] Ink Jet Prints

2004-08-16 by Joe Davajon

I unequivocally agree with Clayton:  "Carbon Ink
Prints" is an unpretentious and accurate name. 
Clayton's point is also well taken that we who produce
these prints ought to decide what they are to called
and unify ourselves and call them what we have
collectively decided they should be called.  Let's
decide, agree, and move on to producing art and worry
less about what exact nomenclature will satisfy
everyone.
Your friend in photography,
Joe D.

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Drop by my site at <davajon.net>

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