Digital BW, The Print

This is a bit off topic but I think the craft of B&W imagery is part of this
digital age.   This evening I was watching an old silent movie, now on DVD,
and was enormously struck by the magnificent B&W images that were contained
in it. It was The Passion of Joan of Arc, a French film of about 1927 (a bit
before my time but not much...). I think the camera men that made these
films could teach us a lot about light and seeing. Others that comes to mind
are the many films that James Wong Howe shot. 

Just a thought but something I thought worth sharing.

Roger

Roger L Sopher
rlsopher@...
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>>>>> >>>> I think the camera men that made these
> films could teach us a lot about light and seeing. Others that comes to mind
> are the many films that James Wong Howe shot.

Roger,
I was not familiar with these examples of the craft of image making and I
thank you for sharing them. I look forward to seeing them (hopefully in the
³right light² ;-)


Nat

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Nathaniel Coalson
Photography & Digital Imaging
www.NatCoalson.com



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I can see the light at the end of the tunnel:
(after finding a helpful suggestion from Roger Sopher that I had 
saved)

I have QTR installed and running.

I can print to my 1280, and I get a lovely print.

but...I think QTR (or CUPS?) isn't seeing the profiles...if i select 
sepia, or carbon, i get the same print. I've had to manually edit the 
profiles and ppd file, but i'm reasonably confident that i have it right. 
Any thoughts?

-matt
--
Matt Haber
dance, portrait and fashion photography
http://www.matthaber.com

Hello Roger,

>This evening I was watching an old silent movie, now on DVD,
>and was enormously struck by the magnificent B&W images that were
>contained in it. 

Nice point.  I remember thinking similar thoughts when seeing old BW
movies.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 09:50 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:

> Hello Roger,
>
> >This evening I was watching an old silent movie, now on DVD,
> >and was enormously struck by the magnificent B&W images that were
> >contained in it.
>

I was struck by the great b&w work of a contempory, Robby Mueller, 
watching his work on Jim Jarmusch's Down By Law.  Beautiful.  There is 
also an interesting interview with him on the DVD.  And I watched a 
silent, too:  a collection of some of Laurel and Hardy's earliest 
fillms, some as early as circa 1911, with the backdrop of brand new 
L.A. suburbs.

James


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan
<james@r...> wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 09:50 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:
> 
> > Hello Roger,
> >
> > >This evening I was watching an old silent movie, now on DVD,
> > >and was enormously struck by the magnificent B&W images that were
> > >contained in it.
> >
> 
> I was struck by the great b&w work of a contempory, Robby Mueller, 
> watching his work on Jim Jarmusch's Down By Law.  Beautiful.

Absolutely, and check out Coen brothers' "Man Who Wasn't There". Don't
know who shot it but really great B&W. People still can do it and want
to do it. Getting it on the screen is something else.
Tyler

One thing I remember reading about the making of B&W movies was the 
sometimes outlandish colors that were used in costumes.  Oranges, purples, 
greens and the like that you would never put together in a real wardrobe, 
but based on the spectral response of the film being used they gave just 
the right tonalities for a good looking B&W image.  I think the same held 
true for television while it was B&W.

Cheers,
Kip

At 8/26/2004 04:50 AM +0000, you wrote:

>Hello Roger,
>
> >This evening I was watching an old silent movie, now on DVD,
> >and was enormously struck by the magnificent B&W images that were
> >contained in it.
>
>Nice point.  I remember thinking similar thoughts when seeing old BW
>movies.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
<tyler@t...> wrote:

> Absolutely, and check out Coen brothers' "Man Who Wasn't There". Don't
> know who shot it but really great B&W. 

I remember thinking the same thing as I watched this film in the
theater. I later learned that it was shot on color film and converted
to b&w. This thread isn't really off-topic after all :) 

Jim

Can't resist tossing in my 2 cents.  Some of the great
Japanese films like Seven Samarai and  Roshomon have
great black and white photography.  Igmar Bergman's
Seventh Seal is outstanding in its camera work, and of
course one of the very best is Welle's Citizen Kane. 
The above four films are profound in the brilliant use
of black and white.  I believe any photographer who
studies these films would learn much.
Joe D.

=====
Drop by my site at <davajon.net>

At 6:27 am +0000 8/26/04, Tyler Boley wrote:

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Irelan 
><james@r...> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 09:50 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:
>>
>>>Hello Roger,
>>>
>>>>This evening I was watching an old silent movie, now on DVD, and 
>>>>was enormously struck by the magnificent B&W images that were 
>>>>contained in it.
>>>
>>>I was struck by the great b&w work of a contempory, Robby Mueller, 
>>>watching his work on Jim Jarmusch's Down By Law. Beautiful.
>
>Absolutely, and check out Coen brothers' "Man Who Wasn't There". 
>Don't know who shot it but really great B&W. People still can do it 
>and want to do it. Getting it on the screen is something else.


Check out Woody Allen's Manhattan. I don't know who the 
cinematographer was, but it's a beautiful movie.


At 10:03 am -0500 8/26/04, Kip Babington wrote:

>One thing I remember reading about the making of B&W movies was the 
>sometimes outlandish colors that were used in costumes. Oranges, 
>purples, greens and the like that you would never put together in a 
>real wardrobe, but based on the spectral response of the film being 
>used they gave just the right tonalities for a good looking B&W 
>image. I think the same held true for television while it was B&W.


The Les Paul TV model guitar was a disgustingly bilious shade of 
green. It looked _great_ on a black and white TV.


-=-Dennis


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