Digital BW, The Print

In a message dated 9/8/2004 6:38:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com writes:

> Paul...have a 2000P here and would like to use it...put me down on your 
> list...thanks...Phil
> 
> 

I never understood why this printer got left behind by Epson and all the 3rd 
party people. It was the first unit EVER to use the Archival Inks. It was MADE 
to squirt PIGMENT inks right out of the box (it never sold at Comp USA 
because it was $900 vs. $500 for a 1270 with better colors).

The Cone/R9 driver never supported it, not was it ever used as a platform for 
any RIP or inkset out there. I don't think it has a variable dot, but I'm 
sure it's a 6 picoliter (this came right after the 1200, which was a 6pl dye 
printer and my first 6-cylinder printer). I could never bring myself to sell it.

I remember making my first BO prints with this printer and, other than the 
weak black (Archival Black's Dmax was not like MK or Eboni, for sure), but that 
was in 2000..................4 years is a long time in the evolution of 
inkjet.

Anyway, they are cheap to get now and if you can put up with the 
S........L.......O.......W speed, this thing is sure about squrting pigments and probably 
would clog less than a 1280, which I've never owned.

I would make this a BW machine in a minute if it could be made into an EZBW 
using MIS UT's. 
Go Paul go!!

Claude


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howdy all those curious about the 2000P and MIS inks/Paul's curves..!

if you are thinking about devoting this printer to b&w, go for it!!!
I use it and am very happy with the results..!

anyone taking part in Tom O'Connell's monthly exchanges has seen my
prints over the last year... and while the comment pages have been
pretty quiet lately, I would love to hear some feedback from those
with opinions and the inclination to share!

I have little interest in mastering curve creation, so I simply
downloaded many of Paul's curves that seemed plausible and started
printing stepwedges...

I work on a mac and found success with the following setup:

curves - vmPR1290_c1, vmPR1290_nc1 (my favorite), and vmPR1290_w1
curves for the Epson 1290

inks - I started with the Variable Mix set, and that worked great! but
then played with some of the Ultratones and found the perfect balance
of punchy smoothness with the UT/Eboni in the K, C, LC and Y
positions, with the VM(S) in the M and LM positions. 

I hand fill these into the empty cartridges for the 1280 I get from
MIS. then reset chips from the OEM color ink cartridges.

paper - many work well, but my favorites are Hahnemuhle Photo Rag and
Epson Velvet Fine Art.

my current printer includes the scrounged parts from two previous
2000Ps! which brings me to the drawbacks. CLEANING CYCLES!!! unless
you decided to go with a continous feed system (I will soon), the chip
resetting and the cleaning cycles from the handfilled carts will push
the little robot beyond its limits..!

taking out and replacing cartridges so often also increases the risk
of damaging the little pins that read the info from the chip. if you
have any skill at all taking things apart, replacing a print head or
even just the little tab of pins is possible with some time and
effort. this is where ebay comes in handy... I've seen people selling
pretty beat up machines, but so long as they guarantee they've made a
test print, then you know the parts are useful! and of course
refurbished ones come with 90 warranty from Epson, for when I didn't
feel like taking anything apart..!

I print nearly every day, so your usage will play a big part.

hope this rambly pile of words answers some questions.

Tom

P.S. monitor calibration is necessary before you go judging the prints..!

Thank you for your input Tom, you have alleviated my concerns about
how the UT inks would function in my printer!

It seems that the 1280's carts are the same as the ones for the 2000p,
with only a different chip separating the two.  So would it be
possible to buy the pre-filled 1280 carts and replace the chip with
that of a 2000p cart?  If so, this would allow me to try the UT2's
with out such a heavy initial investment. Anyone tried this?

Thanks,
John



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom"
<pouty_bob@y...> wrote:
> howdy all those curious about the 2000P and MIS inks/Paul's curves..!
> 
> if you are thinking about devoting this printer to b&w, go for it!!!
> I use it and am very happy with the results..!
> 
> anyone taking part in Tom O'Connell's monthly exchanges has seen my
> prints over the last year... and while the comment pages have been
> pretty quiet lately, I would love to hear some feedback from those
> with opinions and the inclination to share!
> 
> I have little interest in mastering curve creation, so I simply
> downloaded many of Paul's curves that seemed plausible and started
> printing stepwedges...
> 
> I work on a mac and found success with the following setup:
> 
> curves - vmPR1290_c1, vmPR1290_nc1 (my favorite), and vmPR1290_w1
> curves for the Epson 1290
> 
> inks - I started with the Variable Mix set, and that worked great! but
> then played with some of the Ultratones and found the perfect balance
> of punchy smoothness with the UT/Eboni in the K, C, LC and Y
> positions, with the VM(S) in the M and LM positions. 
> 
> I hand fill these into the empty cartridges for the 1280 I get from
> MIS. then reset chips from the OEM color ink cartridges.
> 
> paper - many work well, but my favorites are Hahnemuhle Photo Rag and
> Epson Velvet Fine Art.
> 
> my current printer includes the scrounged parts from two previous
> 2000Ps! which brings me to the drawbacks. CLEANING CYCLES!!! unless
> you decided to go with a continous feed system (I will soon), the chip
> resetting and the cleaning cycles from the handfilled carts will push
> the little robot beyond its limits..!
> 
> taking out and replacing cartridges so often also increases the risk
> of damaging the little pins that read the info from the chip. if you
> have any skill at all taking things apart, replacing a print head or
> even just the little tab of pins is possible with some time and
> effort. this is where ebay comes in handy... I've seen people selling
> pretty beat up machines, but so long as they guarantee they've made a
> test print, then you know the parts are useful! and of course
> refurbished ones come with 90 warranty from Epson, for when I didn't
> feel like taking anything apart..!
> 
> I print nearly every day, so your usage will play a big part.
> 
> hope this rambly pile of words answers some questions.
> 
> Tom
> 
> P.S. monitor calibration is necessary before you go judging the
prints..!

Howdy John,

yes... I did try this to test the UT2s.
replacing the chips on the 1280 cart works fine!

results were kinda gritty for my taste... 
but the convenience is nice!

Tom

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "weareallsosmall"
<weareallsosmall@y...> wrote:

> Thank you for your input Tom, you have alleviated my concerns about
> how the UT inks would function in my printer!
> 
> It seems that the 1280's carts are the same as the ones for the 2000p,
> with only a different chip separating the two.  So would it be
> possible to buy the pre-filled 1280 carts and replace the chip with
> that of a 2000p cart?  If so, this would allow me to try the UT2's
> with out such a heavy initial investment. Anyone tried this?
> 
> Thanks,
> John

Thanks again Tom!

I'm gonna try it as soon as I run out of ink. Now, if only QTR for XP
supported the 2000p...(g)

john


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom"
<pouty_bob@y...> wrote:

> Howdy John,
> 
> yes... I did try this to test the UT2s.
> replacing the chips on the 1280 cart works fine!
> 
> results were kinda gritty for my taste... 
> but the convenience is nice!
> 
> Tom
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "weareallsosmall"
> <weareallsosmall@y...> wrote:
> > Thank you for your input Tom, you have alleviated my concerns about
> > how the UT inks would function in my printer!
> > 
> > It seems that the 1280's carts are the same as the ones for the 2000p,
> > with only a different chip separating the two.  So would it be
> > possible to buy the pre-filled 1280 carts and replace the chip with
> > that of a 2000p cart?  If so, this would allow me to try the UT2's
> > with out such a heavy initial investment. Anyone tried this?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > John