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HP, Paper and Film, oh my

HP, Paper and Film, oh my

2004-09-14 by The Wogster

Dear List:

I have an HP Deskjet 842C, okay stop laughing.  All of the long term inks I have 
seen are for Epson printers, is there a long term ink, for HP printers, even 
something like in a refill kit?   Is the HP black ink reasonably good for longevity?  

What kind of papers could give good results with a printer such as this one, other 
then the standard HP paper?

What about the Ilford Papers, always liked their film, and silver papers,
even liked the Ilfochrome, although it was Cibachrome back then.  The maximum print
size on my printer is 8.5x14, but back in my fume room days, I never printed larger then 8x10
anyway.  

If your going to suggest a different printer, don't bother, it's way, way, way down the 
list.  

Last item, what is the best B&W film for scanning, I am leaning towards the 
chromogenics, because they are more friendly towards Digital ICE, and can
be easily run through C-41 chemistries, just about anywhere?

W

RE: [Digital BW] HP, Paper and Film, oh my

2004-09-14 by Paul Roark

The reason we use a disproportionate number of Epson printers is that their
patented Piezo-electric head seems to be the only one that can pump the
higher viscosities needed to hold pigment particles in suspension.  At this
point in the technology, pigments -- especially the carbon that is the basic
one used for B&W pigment inksets -- still have a major advantage over dyes
in longevity.

For dyes, the route to longevity is the "swellable" papers.  The Ilford
version of this appears to be about as good as the others, judging from my
fade testing.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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Dear List:

I have an HP Deskjet 842C, okay stop laughing.  All of the long term inks I
have 
seen are for Epson printers, is there a long term ink, for HP printers, even

something like in a refill kit?   Is the HP black ink reasonably good for
longevity?  

What kind of papers could give good results with a printer such as this one,
other 
then the standard HP paper?

What about the Ilford Papers, always liked their film, and silver papers,
even liked the Ilfochrome, although it was Cibachrome back then.  The
maximum print
size on my printer is 8.5x14, but back in my fume room days, I never printed
larger then 8x10
anyway.  

If your going to suggest a different printer, don't bother, it's way, way,
way down the 
list.  

Last item, what is the best B&W film for scanning, I am leaning towards the 
chromogenics, because they are more friendly towards Digital ICE, and can
be easily run through C-41 chemistries, just about anywhere?

W
 




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RE: [Digital BW] HP, Paper and Film, oh my

2004-09-15 by The Wogster

On 14 Sep 2004 at 14:05, Paul Roark wrote:

> The reason we use a disproportionate number of Epson printers is that their
> patented Piezo-electric head seems to be the only one that can pump the
> higher viscosities needed to hold pigment particles in suspension.  At this
> point in the technology, pigments -- especially the carbon that is the basic
> one used for B&W pigment inksets -- still have a major advantage over dyes
> in longevity.
> 
> For dyes, the route to longevity is the "swellable" papers.  The Ilford
> version of this appears to be about as good as the others, judging from my
> fade testing.
> 

Swellable papers?  How do you tell which ones are swellable papers? Based on 
your fade testing, a print that is NOT in direct sun but hanging for display, should 
last about how long, before fading has made it unacceptable.   5 Years is well 
withing the limits I would impose, by then the printer will probably have been 
replaced, and the technology will be better, and besides that, I will probably want a 
new print for that wall anyway.

W

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