Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W Printing--Which method?
2004-09-16 by sinwen
Hello All, I am new on this forum so I don't understand the many abbreviations on the post. For example what means BO or QTR (Quad tone rip ?) ? I have a 4000 pro and cannot afford to dedicate it to B&W, so I am using Ultrachrome inks, on H.William Tuner I have some very nice monochrome result but I guess it could be better. So I was very surprised to see you mentioned the same in your post. I guess there is a way to obtain better result just by choosing appropriate settings both in Photoshop and the Epson driver. If you choose B&W setting the driver switch to Epson gamma 1.8 or 2.2 and any ICC profil is cancel. I you choose Colour I never manage to get any real B&W print, always having some disturbing colour tones. I am waiting for a Monaco Ez system and hope to be able to make good B&W profil with it. Something else with the 4000, the driver ask you to choose a paper type but propose only Epson type, for example "photo glossy premium 250" and when you are not using Epson papers you have to try them all to find the right one for the particular paper you are using, this setting give great differences for the same paper. Funny enough some of these settings are not usable, all "glossy" settings for example are not accepted, the printer goes on error. I believe some of you went through these and if they could give their comments, they would be welcome. Michel
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From: john dean
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:24 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital B&W Printing--Which method?
We've all been there at one time or another. I've used all the color and quad tone inksets (
both Lyson's for 4 years ) except Paul's new MIS pigments, and my opinion is as follows.
For the very highest quality monochrome output I would choose either Cone Piezzotone
carbon pigments or Paul Roarks UT carbon pigment. You can use Quad Tone Rip if you
want on these but it is not necessary for outstanding monochrome output. These inksets
represent the state of the art.
But, for simpliciity and if you need to also do color output from your pigment printer, the
previous post about the new Epson 4000 is probably the best choice as long as the 17"
width size works for you. If you go this route, and it is a very good route, be sure you have
a custom profile made for you paper to linearize the color out for clean black and white's
without metamerism. If you choose to use Roy Harrington's QTR rip you can produce first
class monochrome work with any of these inksets, with no color shift at all under varying
light sources. Personally this is the method that probably makes the most sense for
simplicity and economic considerations. You can also tone the monochrome prints using
QTR within that driver.
If you do your homework all of these systems can produce beautiful black and white
output. I personally use two methods now after leaving the Lyson products because of
metamerism issues. Piezzography and black only printing using the Epson 10K. When
using black only output I convert the file to greyscale and use grey 1.8 as a profile. I just
did a show for the Atlanta airport using this method and they were beautifully rich.
However when doing BO output it is very important to use a slightly textured paper to hide
any dithering, I favor Somerset Velvet and Hahnemuhle William Turner. I have also had hit
and miss results from Enhanced Matte and H. Photo Rag . The big problem with BO
printing is the lack of a light black and medium light black to fill in those subtle highlight
areas. Compare this with the best Quad inks and you will quickly notice the difference,
especially in smaller prints of very subtle quality. BO printing on the smaller printers can
be abismal though. The 10K lets you get away with it on many projects because of the
huge head and good driver.
To get simple with all this, Ultrachrome inks on the 4000 or 7600 can do very fine
monochrome work if it is set up right. This is the method that Nash Editions uses. There is
always someone to help you in that direction. For the top of the line black and white
output Quad Carbon pigments by MIS or Cone are the very finest products out there.
john dean
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