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Epson1290 and Mis Inks

2004-09-10 by laurent19632001

Hello, 

please excuse me for my bad English. 

I am not sure of what I must buy to print BW on Epson 1290.  

I will want to use the system of ink MIS to print on paper Hahnemühle 
Photo Rag.  
I believed to understand that Ultratone inks had a problem with this 
printer and that it was to better take of Quadtone.  
However, I would have preferred to use the UT2 Ebony; does that seem 
to you he possible?  and so yes, with which driver;  Cone R9 or the 
Epson driver ?

In addition if I must use the R9 driver, can you say to me where to 
buy it?  

I thank you for your assistance 

Yours sincerely

Laurent

Bonjour,
veuillez m'excuser pour mon mauvais anglais.
Je ne suis pas sûr de ce que je dois acheter pour imprimer en NB sur 
une Epson 1290. 
Je voudrai utiliser le système d'encre MIS pour imprimer sur du papier 
Hahnemühle Photo Rag.
J'ai cru comprendre que les encres Ultratone avait un problème avec 
cette imprimante et qu'il valait mieux prendre des Quadtone.
Pourtant, j'aurais préféré utiliser les UT2 Ebony ; cela vous semble 
t'il possible et si oui avec quel pilote ? le Cone R9 ou le driver 
Epson
Par ailleurs si je dois utiliser le driver R9, pouvez-vous me dire où 
l'acheter.
Je vous remercie pour votre aide 
Bien à vous
Laurent

RE: [Digital BW] Epson1290 and Mis Inks

2004-09-10 by Paul Roark

Laurent,

The 1290 works very well with MIS UT2 inks and 1280 curves, using the Epson
driver.  The only difference is that the prints are slightly darker than the
1280 prints. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

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From: laurent19632001 [mailto:laurentlafolie@tiscali.fr] 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:02 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson1290 and Mis Inks

Hello, 

please excuse me for my bad English. 

I am not sure of what I must buy to print BW on Epson 1290.  

I will want to use the system of ink MIS to print on paper Hahnemühle 
Photo Rag.  
I believed to understand that Ultratone inks had a problem with this 
printer and that it was to better take of Quadtone.  
However, I would have preferred to use the UT2 Ebony; does that seem 
to you he possible?  and so yes, with which driver;  Cone R9 or the 
Epson driver ?

In addition if I must use the R9 driver, can you say to me where to 
buy it?  

I thank you for your assistance 

Yours sincerely

Laurent

Bonjour,
veuillez m'excuser pour mon mauvais anglais.
Je ne suis pas sûr de ce que je dois acheter pour imprimer en NB sur 
une Epson 1290. 
Je voudrai utiliser le système d'encre MIS pour imprimer sur du papier 
Hahnemühle Photo Rag.
J'ai cru comprendre que les encres Ultratone avait un problème avec 
cette imprimante et qu'il valait mieux prendre des Quadtone.
Pourtant, j'aurais préféré utiliser les UT2 Ebony ; cela vous semble 
t'il possible et si oui avec quel pilote ? le Cone R9 ou le driver 
Epson
Par ailleurs si je dois utiliser le driver R9, pouvez-vous me dire où 
l'acheter.
Je vous remercie pour votre aide 
Bien à vous
Laurent





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Re: [Digital BW] Epson1290 and Mis Inks

2004-09-10 by laurent19632001

Thank you Paul, 

I thus will order the UT2.  

Wouldn't the Cone software enable me to adjust this excess of density?

Have a good day

Laurent

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Laurent,
> 
> The 1290 works very well with MIS UT2 inks and 1280 curves, using 
the Epson
> driver.  The only difference is that the prints are slightly darker 
than the
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> 1280 prints. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Epson1290 and Mis Inks

2004-09-10 by Paul Roark

Laurent,

>I thus will order the UT2.  

>Wouldn't the Cone software enable me to adjust this excess of density?

I don't know, but that's not what I would do.

First, there may be no "excess" of density in any absolute sense.  It might
actually be an improvement.  

The 50% density I make the curves to is simply based on consistency with the
systems I've used in the past.  I started with the Piezo system and have
continued to match the average midtone densities that I was getting from
that old system because that's what my files were made for.  However, what
is the ideal 50% density, if any?  I think the old Commission Internationale
d'Eclairage, or "CIE", that made the L*a*b* system for measuring luminance
and color may have been the most sophisticated, empirically-based study I
know of.  In their Lab scale "L" is the measure of luminance with black = 0,
white = 100.  In the Luminance channel, the standard 50% I've been targeting
is arguably too light, at L = 56.  The next darker patch is closer to L =
50, which some might argue is where the 50% patch should lie.  When I
measure my old Kodak "Gray" card, the spectrophotometer says its Lab
luminance value is 50.

The bottom line is that the slightly darker 1290 prints that are made with
the UT2 inks and 1280 curves are arguably closer to having midtone densities
that are consistent with some widely-recognized standards.

Second, the real practical issue is whether the monitor matches the print.
Monitors appear to be rather inconsistent in this respect, and most of us
probably use some method to adjust or calibrate the monitor, perhaps as well
as the view in Photoshop, so that the monitor image more closely matches the
print. It may well be that monitor manufacturers, however, attempt to match
the Lab or some other recognized standard, but I really don't know.

So, don't worry about the slightly darker prints of the 1290 compared to the
1280.

Paul 
www.PaulRoark.com  

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Laurent,
> 
> The 1290 works very well with MIS UT2 inks and 1280 curves, using 
the Epson
> driver.  The only difference is that the prints are slightly darker 
than the
> 1280 prints. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 





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Re: [Digital BW] Epson1290 and Mis Inks

2004-09-17 by laurent19632001

Hello, 

and thank you to Paul for his preceding answer, that is reassuring.  

I now try to download (on the site of Paul Roark) UT2-PhotoRag-
Neutral-1 curves and UT2-PhotoRag-Carbon-1 for paper Hahnemühle and 
the 1290/UT2 Eboni, but the bond does not function. 

I am also interested by UT2-EEM-Cooll ; Neutral ; MedWarm & Carbon-1.
acv far Epson Mat paper.

Somebody can it send these curves to me so that I use them as bases ?  

Thank you 

Laurent


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Laurent,
....
> So, don't worry about the slightly darker prints of the 1290 
compared to the 1280.
> Paul 
> www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Epson1290 and Mis Inks

2004-09-17 by laurent19632001

I found them.  

Thank you

@+

Laurent

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "laurent19632001" 
> I now try to download (on the site of Paul Roark) UT2-PhotoRag-
> Neutral-1 curves and UT2-PhotoRag-Carbon-1 for paper Hahnemühle and 
> the 1290/UT2 Eboni, but the bond does not function. 
> 
> I am also interested by UT2-EEM-Cooll ; Neutral ; MedWarm & Carbon-
1.
> acv far Epson Mat paper.
> 
> Somebody can it send these curves to me so that I use them as bases 
?  
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> 
> Thank you 
> 
> Laurent

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