Digital BW, The Print

I've got a number of 17 x 22 images that I'd like to frame with the 
appearance of having no mat.  (They are black & white enlarged contact 
sheets, and I like the feeling of having the black image blend directly 
into the black frame.)

Of course, there must be some kind of spacer, so that the glass is not 
directly in contact with the paper.  Perhaps there could be some kind of 
gasket ... or a special extrusion instead of the Nielsen #11 moulding that 
I typically would use.

Any ideas?  Any experience?

Thanks much,


Arthur Fink

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  Peaks Island, Maine 04108  arthur@...

Check catalogues from places like Light Impressions or University Products.
They sell strips of spacer material that can be inserted between a mat/print
and the edge of the frame's channel.

Light Impressions (and certainly others) sells strips of clear vinyl
spacers. They have an adhesive on one side so they can be held in place on
the glazing. They come in various depths.

Wendel

> 
> 
> I've got a number of 17 x 22 images that I'd like to frame with the
> appearance of having no mat.  (They are black & white enlarged contact
> sheets, and I like the feeling of having the black image blend directly
> into the black frame.)
> 
> Of course, there must be some kind of spacer, so that the glass is not
> directly in contact with the paper.  Perhaps there could be some kind of
> gasket ... or a special extrusion instead of the Nielsen #11 moulding that
> I typically would use.
> 
> Any ideas?  Any experience?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> 
> Arthur Fink

The spacer sold by Light Impressions is the least expensive in Frametek's
line. They have others that might be of interest. We've been using the
Framespace and love the results.

http://www.frametek.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendel White [mailto:wendel@...] 
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:43 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Framing with "almost" no mat

Light Impressions (and certainly others) sells strips of clear vinyl
spacers. They have an adhesive on one side so they can be held in place on
the glazing. They come in various depths.

Wendel

> 
> 
> I've got a number of 17 x 22 images that I'd like to frame with the
> appearance of having no mat.  (They are black & white enlarged contact
> sheets, and I like the feeling of having the black image blend directly
> into the black frame.)
> 
> Of course, there must be some kind of spacer, so that the glass is not
> directly in contact with the paper.  Perhaps there could be some kind of
> gasket ... or a special extrusion instead of the Nielsen #11 moulding that
> I typically would use.
> 
> Any ideas?  Any experience?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> 
> Arthur Fink





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And, what is the issue with putting a "thoroughly dried" ink jet print directly against the glazing, especially if it were sprayed with the likes of Priemer spray?  It doesn't have the same properties as the wet darkroom print that would adhere to the glazing.
 
Tom Baker

Arthur Fink <arthur@maine.rr.com> wrote:

I've got a number of 17 x 22 images that I'd like to frame with the 
appearance of having no mat. (They are black & white enlarged contact 
sheets, and I like the feeling of having the black image blend directly 
into the black frame.)

Of course, there must be some kind of spacer, so that the glass is not 
directly in contact with the paper. Perhaps there could be some kind of 
gasket ... or a special extrusion instead of the Nielsen #11 moulding that 
I typically would use.

Any ideas? Any experience?

Thanks much,


Arthur Fink

A r t h u r F i n k P h o t o g r a p h y
------------------------------------------------
Ten New Island Avenue 207.766.5722
Peaks Island, Maine 04108 arthur@... 





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Oh yes for float mounting any good frame shop or framing supply will have acrylic spacer 
strips in stock. What you do is attach the acrylic spacer strips to the plexi or glass with the 
adhesive that they come coated with ( peel off ) . Then you have a space between the print 
and the glass so that the glass doesn't touch the print. I did a whole exhibition like this for 
graduate school where I had burned black edges around the silver composite prints and 
framed in black frames. Some people even use a very thick moulding, like used for 
framing paintings, for the frame to put even more space there. They make different 
thickness of the acrylic strips for this. One thing to remember though, if you don't have an 
over matte and your print is large it can sometimes buckle a little bit unless it is mounted 
somehow. With prints up to 16x20 I don't think it would be an issue at all except under 
very humid conditions. Having said that I've seen plenty of "floated" prints in museums 
and galleries that are not completely flat. I guess it depends on the character of the work 
and how perfect you want the flatness. I never had to drymount my 16x20's or even 20x24 
silver prints and an occasional wavy thing going on didn't bother me.

john dean
> 
> Arthur Fink <arthur@m...> wrote:
> 
> I've got a number of 17 x 22 images that I'd like to frame with the 
> appearance of having no mat. (They are black & white enlarged contact 
> sheets, and I like the feeling of having the black image blend directly 
> into the black frame.)
> 
> Of course, there must be some kind of spacer, so that the glass is not 
> directly in contact with the paper. Perhaps there could be some kind of 
> gasket ... or a special extrusion instead of the Nielsen #11 moulding that 
> I typically would use.
> 
> Any ideas? Any experience?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> 
> Arthur Fink
> 
> A r t h u r F i n k P h o t o g r a p h y
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> Peaks Island, Maine 04108 arthur@a... 
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Tom--

One issue is that it creates a perfect breeding ground for mold and mildew. 
Spacers allow the print (art work) to breathe.

Jay


>From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...>
>Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Framing with "almost" no mat
>Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
>
>And, what is the issue with putting a "thoroughly dried" ink jet print 
>directly against the glazing, especially if it were sprayed with the likes 
>of Priemer spray?  It doesn't have the same properties as the wet darkroom 
>print that would adhere to the glazing.
>
>Tom Baker
>
>Arthur Fink <arthur@...> wrote:
>
>I've got a number of 17 x 22 images that I'd like to frame with the
>appearance of having no mat. (They are black & white enlarged contact
>sheets, and I like the feeling of having the black image blend directly
>into the black frame.)
>
>Of course, there must be some kind of spacer, so that the glass is not
>directly in contact with the paper. Perhaps there could be some kind of
>gasket ... or a special extrusion instead of the Nielsen #11 moulding that
>I typically would use.
>
>Any ideas? Any experience?
>
>Thanks much,
>
>
>Arthur Fink
>
>A r t h u r F i n k P h o t o g r a p h y
>------------------------------------------------
>Ten New Island Avenue 207.766.5722
>Peaks Island, Maine 04108 arthur@...
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Tom:

Just experienced this with, admittedly, glossy color prints mounted 
in contact with the glass.

Any irregularity in the backing board that presses a small area of 
the print tightly against the glass will produce a noticeable "wet 
spot" look, as though there was a drop of moisture between the print 
and the glass.  You can produce the effect temporarily by pressing on 
the backing board, which is how I discovered what the problem was.

Many thanks to the contributors of the info on Frametek spacers, 
which I found on framingsupplies.com at the best price.

Michael Wade


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker 
<tbaker1328@s...> wrote:
> And, what is the issue with putting a "thoroughly dried" ink jet 
print directly against the glazing, especially if it were sprayed 
with the likes of Priemer spray?  It doesn't have the same properties 
as the wet darkroom print that would adhere to the glazing.
>  
> Tom Baker
> 
> Arthur Fink <arthur@m...> wrote:
> 
> I've got a number of 17 x 22 images that I'd like to frame with the 
> appearance of having no mat. (They are black & white enlarged 
contact 
> sheets, and I like the feeling of having the black image blend 
directly 
> into the black frame.)
> 
> Of course, there must be some kind of spacer, so that the glass is 
not 
> directly in contact with the paper. Perhaps there could be some 
kind of 
> gasket ... or a special extrusion instead of the Nielsen #11 
moulding that 
> I typically would use.
> 
> Any ideas? Any experience?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> 
> Arthur Fink
> 
> A r t h u r F i n k P h o t o g r a p h y
> ------------------------------------------------
> Ten New Island Avenue 207.766.5722
> Peaks Island, Maine 04108 arthur@a... 
> 
> 
> 
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and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the 
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PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT 
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SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT 
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BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF 
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THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR 
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT 
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Arthur,
I deal with Metropolitan frames in Minneapolis Metropolitan Framing. They are 
a great outfit. Their prices are great also. For your specific need you will 
probably need to call them, but they will have what you need.
Steve


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Arthur,
Spacers come in all kinds and sizes and replicate the true job of the 
mat which is to keep the glazing off of the print. The kind I use 
mostly are 1/8 or 1/4 inch deep, hollow plastic (clear or black) and 
have a self adhesive strip on one side that you put on the glass or the 
edge of the frame (wood) depending on...
I have never tried to put them in a metal frame but with a deeper 
profile you could adhere them to the glass, use some artists tape on 
the edge to secure the whole package and then slide it in.
Profile 12 is has the same face as 11 but is 1" deep overall with the 
opening inside being 19/32 as opposed to 11 13/32. If you need more 
space the 22 has a 5/16 face with the overall depth 1 13/32 inside (art 
space ) of 1 inch.
  The spacers come from a variety of sources and they are known by names 
like econospace, rabbet space, channel space etc. . If you have other 
questions please contact me off the list too as I don't get to read 
every    digest.
Good luck,
Jerry

Jerry Hadam
jerry@...
208-726-2942
888-540-8053

In Saddletree Cutsom Framing
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On Saturday, September 18, 2004, at 08:40  AM, 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
> Message: 13
>    Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:53:35 -0400
>    From: Arthur Fink <arthur@...>
> Subject: Framing with "almost" no mat
>
> I've got a number of 17 x 22 images that I'd like to frame with the
> appearance of having no mat.  (They are black & white enlarged contact
> sheets, and I like the feeling of having the black image blend directly
> into the black frame.)
>
> Of course, there must be some kind of spacer, so that the glass is not
> directly in contact with the paper.  Perhaps there could be some kind 
> of
> gasket ... or a special extrusion instead of the Nielsen #11 moulding 
> that
> I typically would use.
>
> Any ideas?  Any experience?
>
> Thanks much,
>
>
> Arthur Fink
>
>   A r t h u r    F i n k     P h o t o g r a p h y