Digital BW, The Print

Is there anyone who could send me a small sample of an MIS FS print? My last
attack of the piezo greenies has killed a printer, and I'm more than pissed
off with inkjetmall's lack of customer service 'yep there is a problem, nope
we don't know what it is, nope we won't replace the inks .' Forget about the
1160. So I'm ready to jump ship, IF I can get the same kind of prints - I
like the piezo colour!

Julian
-----------------------------------
Julian Thomas
Bruc 168-6-1
08037 Barcelona

Gallery at http://www.mwords.co.uk/galleryGuests.htm#
and
http://www.borderless-photos.de/jthomas/jthomas-01.html

tfno 679676321

Julian,
I'll try to send some today.  Maybe the spiral stair and a few of 
others on EAM.
Hap
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> Is there anyone who could send me a small sample of an MIS FS 
print? My last
> attack of the piezo greenies has killed a printer, and I'm more 
than pissed
> off with inkjetmall's lack of customer service 'yep there is a 
problem, nope
> we don't know what it is, nope we won't replace the inks .' Forget 
about the
> 1160. So I'm ready to jump ship, IF I can get the same kind of 
prints - I

> like the piezo colour!
> 
> Julian
> -----------------------------------
> Julian Thomas
> Bruc 168-6-1
> 08037 Barcelona
> 
> Gallery at http://www.mwords.co.uk/galleryGuests.htm#
> and
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/jthomas/jthomas-01.html
> 
> tfno 679676321

The MIS FS uses the VM (read virtual Piezo) black and midtones that are
dilutions of that ink.  It has no standard MIS quad ink in it.

The color of the MIS FS inkset is what I'd call medium warm.  The MIS VM
inkset can go slightly warmer.  The FS inkset has no green or other dyes in
it, so the color will be slightly different than Piezo.

The Piezo 6-inkers appear to just use 4 ink shades.  I first saw a nozzle
check of a 7000 and it looked like the light inks were not lighter at all.
I tried writing some curves for the 7000 and it was impossible.  The Epson
driver tries to substitute the dark for light ink as the tones get darker.
However, with the tones being the same, the curve just goes flat.  So, don't
look for any Epson driver solution to the Piezo software price.  If you want
to use Piezo ink in a 7000, you're going to have to pay the price.

What I didn't know for sure is whether the Piezo hex inks were actually the
same density as the quads.  However, it made sense that Cone would want to
keep the inks the same for economies of scale and print uniformity.

One poster noted that if there are only 4 inks in a hex Piezo system, then
there is room for toners, etc.  Exactly.  That's what the MIS VM inkset
does -- and it still has the same number of gray ink shades as the Piezo
7000 system.

I, frankly, think 4 inks in a 7000 (or any hex printer) is a waste of
printer capacity.  It really turns a 7000 into a quad machine.  That's one
expensive quad printer.  But, if you don't like the limitations of the cheap
old 3000, then there isn't any other printer that will do.  (For cheap old
me, the 3000 is the ticket.)

Since the quad inkset runs so well in the Piezo hex machines, it'll be fun
to see how easy it is to mix the toner(s) into the cyan and make a couple of
dilutions for the other positions -- bingo, neutral (for example) Piezo for
any of the machines. :)

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Julian,
didn´t you  participate in the last Print Exchange. If yes, you will 
get the Piezo/MIS-FS, Piezo/Piezo, Epson/MIS-FS comparison as 
soon as Shaun gets the Print Exchange wound up.
If you didn´t participate let me know (from today on I can even 
offer a MIS VM/1290 - sample surplus, because Paul´s PC #13 
curves work quite fine on my 1290).
Bernd




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> Is there anyone who could send me a small sample of an MIS 
FS print? My last
> attack of the piezo greenies has killed a printer, and I'm more 
than pissed
> off with inkjetmall's lack of customer service 'yep there is a 
problem, nope
> we don't know what it is, nope we won't replace the inks .' 
Forget about the
> 1160. So I'm ready to jump ship, IF I can get the same kind of 
prints - I

> like the piezo colour!
> 
> Julian
> -----------------------------------
> Julian Thomas
> Bruc 168-6-1
> 08037 Barcelona
> 
> Gallery at http://www.mwords.co.uk/galleryGuests.htm#
> and
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/jthomas/jthomas-01.html
> 
> tfno 679676321

> you will 
> get the Piezo/MIS-FS, Piezo/Piezo, Epson/MIS-FS comparison as
> soon as Shaun gets the Print Exchange wound up.

How's that going Shaun?

Thanks
Todd

Bernd, I'm afraid I had to pull out of that one. I need an alternative to
Piezo, I'm afraid the lack of customer care or support when things go wrong,
means I don't really want to spend my cash with IJM. I used to tell my
students that the only political act most people make is choosing where to
spend their money, so I'm taking my own advice. I'd be grateful for a copy
of the prints if you could spare it.

Julian

----- Original Message -----
From: " Ruhrfoto/Bernd L." <ruhrfoto@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: MIS FS reminder 4 Julian (and Shaun)


Julian,
didn\ufffdt you  participate in the last Print Exchange. If yes, you will
get the Piezo/MIS-FS, Piezo/Piezo, Epson/MIS-FS comparison as
soon as Shaun gets the Print Exchange wound up.
If you didn\ufffdt participate let me know (from today on I can even
offer a MIS VM/1290 - sample surplus, because Paul\ufffds PC #13
curves work quite fine on my 1290).
Bernd




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas"
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> Is there anyone who could send me a small sample of an MIS
FS print? My last
> attack of the piezo greenies has killed a printer, and I'm more
than pissed
> off with inkjetmall's lack of customer service 'yep there is a
problem, nope
> we don't know what it is, nope we won't replace the inks .'
Forget about the
> 1160. So I'm ready to jump ship, IF I can get the same kind of
prints - I
> like the piezo colour!
>
> Julian
> -----------------------------------
> Julian Thomas
> Bruc 168-6-1
> 08037 Barcelona
>
> Gallery at http://www.mwords.co.uk/galleryGuests.htm#
> and
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/jthomas/jthomas-01.html
>
> tfno 679676321



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A short status report:

I expect to begin sorting and repackaging this week (I have one 
package still in transit) - this means I'll try and ship end of this 
week or beginning of next. Since many packages are set up to reship 
from the US only, I'll have to make a trip down in Washington State 
to send these - this will also be next week.

As you know, I decided that full participation (so you get none of 
your own pritns back) was worth a delay. Hopefully most of you agree.

I'll post an update and send email when packing ends and another when 
everything is shipped.

Best to all,

Shaun Granleese 

> > you will 
> > get the Piezo/MIS-FS, Piezo/Piezo, Epson/MIS-FS comparison as
> > soon as Shaun gets the Print Exchange wound up.
> 
> How's that going Shaun?
> 
> Thanks
> Todd