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MIS original archival or MIS GP ink - for Rourke and Clayton Jones

MIS original archival or MIS GP ink - for Rourke and Clayton Jones

2004-09-28 by Joe

I know this forum is primarely for black and white so my apologies 
in advance.  I want to do some color work that is "archival"  I am 
confused as to which one to use, MIS original archival or MIS GP 
ink?  I have an epson 1280 and primarely print on matte paper of 
various sorts.  Also I do a lot of black only (BO) printing a la 
Clayton Jones, however I understand the black used in the  orginal 
or GP inks is not Eboni black.  Mr. Jones do you have any experience 
with the blacks contained in these ink sets?  If not could I 
subsitute Eboni black for either?  Thanks for your help.

Joe

RE: [Digital BW] MIS original archival or MIS GP ink - for Roark and Clayton Jones

2004-09-28 by Paul Roark

Joe,

I think the MIS GP pigments are better than the original MIS Archival color
pigs.  They have a higher load of pigments in them for greater color
saturation, they appear to be slightly more lightfast, and they are also
glossy paper compatible, just in case you want to try that.  

If you do use the original Archival, be sure to get the version that has the
newer yellow.  At least from a fade perspective, it was a significant
advance.  

I'd use Eboni as the black ink when using matte paper and switch to Photo
black for glossy (if GP is used).  Universal black is an option some might
like, as it is both matte and glossy compatible, but it also has dye in it.
So, it's not as archival. 

Hope this helps. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe [mailto:drjoe2@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:29 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] MIS original archival or MIS GP ink - for Rourke and
Clayton Jones

I know this forum is primarely for black and white so my apologies 
in advance.  I want to do some color work that is "archival"  I am 
confused as to which one to use, MIS original archival or MIS GP 
ink?  I have an epson 1280 and primarely print on matte paper of 
various sorts.  Also I do a lot of black only (BO) printing a la 
Clayton Jones, however I understand the black used in the  orginal 
or GP inks is not Eboni black.  Mr. Jones do you have any experience 
with the blacks contained in these ink sets?  If not could I 
subsitute Eboni black for either?  Thanks for your help.

Joe




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Re: [Digital BW] MIS original archival or MIS GP ink - for Roark and Clayton Jones

2004-09-28 by Joe

Thank you Paul, I believed you also answered my question regarding 
Eboni, it can be used with the GP color set.  THanks, and thanks 
again for all your postings for the UT2 inks. 

Joe



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> I think the MIS GP pigments are better than the original MIS 
Archival color
> pigs.  They have a higher load of pigments in them for greater 
color
> saturation, they appear to be slightly more lightfast, and they 
are also
> glossy paper compatible, just in case you want to try that.  
> 
> If you do use the original Archival, be sure to get the version 
that has the
> newer yellow.  At least from a fade perspective, it was a 
significant
> advance.  
> 
> I'd use Eboni as the black ink when using matte paper and switch 
to Photo
> black for glossy (if GP is used).  Universal black is an option 
some might
> like, as it is both matte and glossy compatible, but it also has 
dye in it.
> So, it's not as archival. 
> 
> Hope this helps. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> _______________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe [mailto:drjoe2@c...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:29 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] MIS original archival or MIS GP ink - for 
Rourke and
> Clayton Jones
> 
> I know this forum is primarely for black and white so my apologies 
> in advance.  I want to do some color work that is "archival"  I am 
> confused as to which one to use, MIS original archival or MIS GP 
> ink?  I have an epson 1280 and primarely print on matte paper of 
> various sorts.  Also I do a lot of black only (BO) printing a la 
> Clayton Jones, however I understand the black used in the  orginal 
> or GP inks is not Eboni black.  Mr. Jones do you have any 
experience 
> with the blacks contained in these ink sets?  If not could I 
> subsitute Eboni black for either?  Thanks for your help.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
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and
> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group 
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PRINT
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Re: [Digital BW] MIS original archival or MIS GP ink - for Roark and Clayton Jones

2004-09-28 by Edward Wiseman

Hi Joe..

I go along with what Paul says..I WAS using GENERATIONS INKS form Media
Street, and switche to MIS GP inks about a year ago for installation in my
then "new" 1280 with their own CFS system..I couldn't be happier!

Eddie Wiseman
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From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] MIS original archival or MIS GP ink - for Roark
and Clayton Jones


Joe,

I think the MIS GP pigments are better than the original MIS Archival color
pigs.  They have a higher load of pigments in them for greater color
saturation, they appear to be slightly more lightfast, and they are also
glossy paper compatible, just in case you want to try that.

If you do use the original Archival, be sure to get the version that has the
newer yellow.  At least from a fade perspective, it was a significant
advance.

I'd use Eboni as the black ink when using matte paper and switch to Photo
black for glossy (if GP is used).  Universal black is an option some might
like, as it is both matte and glossy compatible, but it also has dye in it.
So, it's not as archival.

Hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
_______________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe [mailto:drjoe2@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:29 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] MIS original archival or MIS GP ink - for Rourke and
Clayton Jones

I know this forum is primarely for black and white so my apologies
in advance.  I want to do some color work that is "archival"  I am
confused as to which one to use, MIS original archival or MIS GP
ink?  I have an epson 1280 and primarely print on matte paper of
various sorts.  Also I do a lot of black only (BO) printing a la
Clayton Jones, however I understand the black used in the  orginal
or GP inks is not Eboni black.  Mr. Jones do you have any experience
with the blacks contained in these ink sets?  If not could I
subsitute Eboni black for either?  Thanks for your help.

Joe




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POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY
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