Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Michaels" <bob@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:04 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Neutral B&W With UT2 Inks




My experience and desires are the same as yours. Tone is a function of
paper choice as well as ink. Read Clayton Jones paper comparison
tests. http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn5.htm Personally, I really
like the Hawk Mountain Condor BW for the images I shoot. That's
neutral with Eboni to my eye.

Bob Michaels

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bellis33624"
<bellis60@v...> wrote:
>
> I recently (a couple days ago) switched from MIS VM inks to UT2 inks
> using a 1280 printer with EEM paper and the Roark neutral UT2 curve
> for that paper. Instead of obtaining netural black and white tones
> similar to a BO print, I get slightly pinkish or slightly warm tones,
> which I assume is because the "netural" curve is really a curve
> designed to produce a selenium toned look. However, I don't want an
> obvious "this print was selenium toned" look, which I never liked in
> a darkroom and which I don't like here. I just want good netural
> blacks, whites, and midtones similar to what I can get with BO prints
> and similar to what I can get in a darkroom.
>
> FWIW, in addition to using the neutral curve I've played around with
> the Epson sliders, generally increasing cyan and reducing magenta,
> and while that certainly changed the look of the print it still left
> me with slightly pinkish looking tones. I have run cleaning cycles,
> which MIS tech support said was all that was needed when switching
> from VM to UT2 (and, if it matters, I've properly aligned the heads
> and I get good nozzle checks).
>
> Could someone either (a) point me to a dowloadable curve that will
> produce neutral black and whites with UT2 inks and this printer and
> paper, or (b) provide me with slider settings in the Epson driver
> that will produce that result, (c) tell me what changes need to be
> made to the Roark neutral EEM UT2 curve to obtain netural blacks and
> whites, or (d) provide any other suggestions for accomplishing what
> I'm trying to accomplish? Thanks.






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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Michaels" <bob@b...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:04 AM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Neutral B&W With UT2 Inks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My experience and desires are the same as yours. Tone is a function of
> paper choice as well as ink. Read Clayton Jones paper comparison
> tests. http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn5.htm Personally, I really
> like the Hawk Mountain Condor BW for the images I shoot. That's
> neutral with Eboni to my eye.
> 
> Bob Michaels
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bellis33624"
> <bellis60@v...> wrote:
> >
> > I recently (a couple days ago) switched from MIS VM inks to UT2 inks
> > using a 1280 printer with EEM paper and the Roark neutral UT2 curve
> > for that paper. Instead of obtaining netural black and white tones
> > similar to a BO print, I get slightly pinkish or slightly warm tones,
> > which I assume is because the "netural" curve is really a curve
> > designed to produce a selenium toned look. However, I don't want an
> > obvious "this print was selenium toned" look, which I never liked in
> > a darkroom and which I don't like here. I just want good netural
> > blacks, whites, and midtones similar to what I can get with BO prints
> > and similar to what I can get in a darkroom.
> >
> > FWIW, in addition to using the neutral curve I've played around with
> > the Epson sliders, generally increasing cyan and reducing magenta,
> > and while that certainly changed the look of the print it still left
> > me with slightly pinkish looking tones. I have run cleaning cycles,
> > which MIS tech support said was all that was needed when switching
> > from VM to UT2 (and, if it matters, I've properly aligned the heads
> > and I get good nozzle checks).
> >
> > Could someone either (a) point me to a dowloadable curve that will
> > produce neutral black and whites with UT2 inks and this printer and
> > paper, or (b) provide me with slider settings in the Epson driver
> > that will produce that result, (c) tell me what changes need to be
> > made to the Roark neutral EEM UT2 curve to obtain netural blacks and
> > whites, or (d) provide any other suggestions for accomplishing what
> > I'm trying to accomplish? Thanks.