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2004-11-02 by john dean
I thought there was going to be a Photo Rag coming out that didn't have optical brighteners, closer to German Etching but 100% rag. That didn't happen did it? Now we have H. Velvet White with even more obs? Right? How does that look. I guess with some inksets it could provide a cooler color with pigment quads. John
2004-11-02 by Jim Doyle
John Oba Free Photo Rag Is coming real soon.. Target Date has been extended.. I will let everyone know when it is available.. Cheers Jim Doyle J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C. 114 Old Orchard Rd. Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 www.shadesofpaper.com
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From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@...]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:36 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Without Obs
I thought there was going to be a Photo Rag coming out that didn't have
optical
brighteners, closer to German Etching but 100% rag. That didn't happen did
it?
Now we have H. Velvet White with even more obs? Right? How does that look.
I guess with
some inksets it could provide a cooler color with pigment quads.
John
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-11-02 by john dean
Thanks Jim, I didn't know about your company until Tyler and John mentioned your site. I went there and like what I see. So, I'm going to try using you for my rag media needs. I like the idea of a place that specializes in paper and experiments with new things. Do you recomend any paraticular spray for reducing the scuffing of the Hahnemuhle papers. I loose about one print a month due to that. best, john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle" <jdoyle1713@c...> wrote: > John > > Oba Free Photo Rag Is coming real soon.. Target Date has been extended.. I > will let everyone know when it is available.. > > Cheers > Jim Doyle > > J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C. > 114 Old Orchard Rd. > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 > 856-424-8660 > www.shadesofpaper.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@y...] > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:36 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Without Obs > > > > I thought there was going to be a Photo Rag coming out that didn't have > optical > brighteners, closer to German Etching but 100% rag. That didn't happen did > it? > > Now we have H. Velvet White with even more obs? Right? How does that look. > I guess with > some inksets it could provide a cooler color with pigment quads. > > John > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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2004-11-02 by Jim Doyle
John, Wow what a tough and loaded question..Most sprays are UV inhibitors.. My suggestion is an interleaf ..archival of course.. Scuffing is a problem Whenever people handle them.. Books are the toughest..I have tried them all at one time or another..I just haven't found the ultimate solution..Maybe some of you book makers can suggest something.. Cheers Jim Doyle J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C. 114 Old Orchard Rd. Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com
-----Original Message-----
From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:46 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] re: new Photo Rag coming soon
Thanks Jim,
I didn't know about your company until Tyler and John mentioned your site.
I went there
and like what I see. So, I'm going to try using you for my rag media
needs. I like the idea of
a place that specializes in paper and experiments with new things. Do you
recomend any
paraticular spray for reducing the scuffing of the Hahnemuhle papers. I
loose about one
print a month due to that.
best,
john
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle"
<jdoyle1713@c...>
wrote:
> John
>
> Oba Free Photo Rag Is coming real soon.. Target Date has been extended..
I
> will let everyone know when it is available..
>
> Cheers
> Jim Doyle
>
> J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
> 114 Old Orchard Rd.
> Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
> 856-424-8660
> www.shadesofpaper.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:36 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Without Obs
>
>
>
> I thought there was going to be a Photo Rag coming out that didn't
have
> optical
> brighteners, closer to German Etching but 100% rag. That didn't happen
did
> it?
>
> Now we have H. Velvet White with even more obs? Right? How does that
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> I guess with
> some inksets it could provide a cooler color with pigment quads.
>
> John
>
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-11-03 by Robert McArthur
Jim, ... > Books are the toughest..I have tried them all at one time or > another..I just haven't found the ultimate solution..Maybe > some of you book makers can suggest something.. I'm very interested in the book issue, since I want to produce some of my work. Could I get your current thoughts on papers that would be appropriate for a book? Obviously B&W, but colour as well... Thanks Robert
2004-11-03 by Jim Doyle
Robert, Ok some of my thoughts but as you know these are my Thoughts I'm Sure some on the list will help out! I have several colleges that are customers one of these has a requirement of a book.. they print edit and bind the book for the final grade. At this school this semester they made a real large purchase of 13 x 19 Lumijet Double Sided Matte & a small purchase of Photo Rag Duo 196 The professor came by to meet with me and I saw some of his students work from Last semester! Just awesome The Lumijet Matte held up real well..Than I saw the Photo Rag Books. The Photo Rag Books were excellent But I also Noticed that he handled them with much care. He did note to me that all of the page were sprayed with the Lumijet Spray Bound by Hand..ect..Just an overall better presentation.. So we started to talk about the paper selection process.. He Stated That He Had Tried in the last three semesters just about every paper on the market that we talk about here in the group and he lets the students decided which to use..The Last two semesters I have been lucky enough to be the supplier.. Today there is a great choice of papers and I can only offer the reports on the ones that I carry.. As for the others I guess you would have to try them..as I usually can only tell you I know what they feel like and look like ..Time is my issue and I don't have enough of it to test them all out.. Not yet anyway.. Someday soon! Well That's My Book Double Sided..LOLO If you want to talk me feel free to call me anytime.. Best of Luck Jim Doyle J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C. 114 Old Orchard Rd. Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com
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From: Robert McArthur [mailto:mcarthur@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:25 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] re: new Photo Rag coming soon
Jim,
...
> Books are the toughest..I have tried them all at one time or
> another..I just haven't found the ultimate solution..Maybe
> some of you book makers can suggest something..
I'm very interested in the book issue, since I want to produce
some of my work. Could I get your current thoughts on papers
that would be appropriate for a book? Obviously B&W, but colour
as well...
Thanks
Robert
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-11-03 by Robert McArthur
Thanks Jim. > I have several colleges that are customers one of these has a > requirement of a book.. they print edit and bind the book for > the final grade. At this school this semester they made a > real large purchase of 13 x 19 Lumijet Double Sided Matte & a > small purchase of Photo Rag Duo 196 > > The professor came by to meet with me and I saw some of his > students work from Last semester! Just awesome The Lumijet > Matte held up real well..Than I saw the Photo Rag Books. The > Photo Rag Books were excellent But I also Noticed that he > handled them with much care. He did note to me that all of > the page were sprayed with the Lumijet Spray Bound by > Hand..ect..Just an overall better presentation.. Very interesting. So far, the only site I've found which comments is fastback: http://www.fastbackbooks.com/inkjetpapers.htm who state that o use matte instead of glossy for ease of binding o don't use OB, including EEM o use < 205gsm they recommend - PremierArt Matte Scrapbook Photo Paper for Epson - Ilford Galerie Multi Purpose InkJet Paper - Ilford Galerie Smooth Heavyweight Paper - Lumijet Portfolio Series Double-Sided Matte --- I found some comments on Mitsubishi papers as well (can't find the positive comments but the paper is at: http://www.camcor.com/cgi-bin/bcatalog.cgi/area=dig&id=1048609354 and http://www.inkjetart.com/photo_papers/mitsubishi.html - Mitsubishi Diamond Jet Dual-Sided Matte I notice Ilford has a couple of new Smooth that look possible: - Smooth Heavyweight Matte DS http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/htm/prod/hwm.htm - and for the gloss, single-sided fans, Smooth High Gloss http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/htm/prod/shg.htm Unfortunately, getting hold of any of these from Australia seems hard :-( Thanks Robert
2004-11-03 by Jim Doyle
Robert I'll Forward Your Email to an Aussie That I know That Carries The Lumijet Line.. Cheers Jim Doyle J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C. 114 Old Orchard Rd. Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McArthur [mailto:mcarthur@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:24 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] re: new Photo Rag coming soon
Thanks Jim.
> I have several colleges that are customers one of these has a
> requirement of a book.. they print edit and bind the book for
> the final grade. At this school this semester they made a
> real large purchase of 13 x 19 Lumijet Double Sided Matte & a
> small purchase of Photo Rag Duo 196
>
> The professor came by to meet with me and I saw some of his
> students work from Last semester! Just awesome The Lumijet
> Matte held up real well..Than I saw the Photo Rag Books. The
> Photo Rag Books were excellent But I also Noticed that he
> handled them with much care. He did note to me that all of
> the page were sprayed with the Lumijet Spray Bound by
> Hand..ect..Just an overall better presentation..
Very interesting. So far, the only site I've found which comments
is fastback:
http://www.fastbackbooks.com/inkjetpapers.htm
who state that
o use matte instead of glossy for ease of binding
o don't use OB, including EEM
o use < 205gsm
they recommend
- PremierArt Matte Scrapbook Photo Paper for Epson
- Ilford Galerie Multi Purpose InkJet Paper
- Ilford Galerie Smooth Heavyweight Paper
- Lumijet Portfolio Series Double-Sided Matte
---
I found some comments on Mitsubishi papers as well (can't find
the positive comments but the paper is at:
http://www.camcor.com/cgi-bin/bcatalog.cgi/area=dig&id=1048609354
and
http://www.inkjetart.com/photo_papers/mitsubishi.html
- Mitsubishi Diamond Jet Dual-Sided Matte
I notice Ilford has a couple of new Smooth that look possible:
- Smooth Heavyweight Matte DS
http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/htm/prod/hwm.htm
- and for the gloss, single-sided fans, Smooth High Gloss
http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/htm/prod/shg.htm
Unfortunately, getting hold of any of these from Australia seems hard
:-(
Thanks
Robert
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-11-03 by john dean
I was under the impression that Lumijet rag media was just Hahnemuhle with their name on it and a price increase. If this is NOT true what is the difference. Does Lumijet purchase paper from Hahnemuhle and then coat it themselves. If so does their dual sided rag hold up better? John
2004-11-03 by john dean
I was under the impression that Lumijet rag media was just Hahnemuhle with their name on it and a price increase. If this is NOT true what is the difference. Does Lumijet purchase paper from Hahnemuhle and then coat it themselves. If so does their dual sided rag hold up better? John
2004-11-03 by Jim Doyle
John The Media Is somewhat the same However They both have different products in the line up..Different weights ect.. Cheers Jim Doyle J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C. 114 Old Orchard Rd. Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same?
I was under the impression that Lumijet rag media was just Hahnemuhle
with their name on it and a price increase.
If this is NOT true what is the difference. Does Lumijet purchase
paper from Hahnemuhle and then coat it themselves. If so does their
dual sided rag hold up better?
John
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-11-03 by john dean
Well, is the Lumijet rag actually made by Hahnemuhle? I have also heard that the Lumijet print spray is actully repackaged Lyson Printguard with an additonal $2.00 price ( and label) attached to it. I also heard that the Luminos quad inks were the same, Lyson quads with Lumijet labels ( and price increaseses ) attached. If this true why do we fall for this. John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle" <jdoyle1713@c...> wrote: > John > > The Media Is somewhat the same However They both have different products in > the line up..Different weights ect.. > > Cheers > Jim Doyle > > J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C. > 114 Old Orchard Rd. > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 > 856-424-8660 > http://www.shadesofpaper.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@y...] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 12:08 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same? > > > > I was under the impression that Lumijet rag media was just Hahnemuhle > with their name on it and a price increase. > > If this is NOT true what is the difference. Does Lumijet purchase > paper from Hahnemuhle and then coat it themselves. If so does their > dual sided rag hold up better? > > John > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Get unlimited calls to > > U.S./Canada > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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2004-11-03 by Jim Doyle
John I DOnt Have time to write books So If You Need To Know more Please Call Me! Jim Doyle J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C. 114 Old Orchard Rd. Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com
-----Original Message-----
From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:56 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same?
Well, is the Lumijet rag actually made by Hahnemuhle? I have also heard
that the Lumijet
print spray is actully repackaged Lyson Printguard with an additonal $2.00
price ( and
label) attached to it. I also heard that the Luminos quad inks were the
same, Lyson quads
with Lumijet labels ( and price increaseses ) attached.
If this true why do we fall for this.
John
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle"
<jdoyle1713@c...>
wrote:
> John
>
> The Media Is somewhat the same However They both have different products
in
> the line up..Different weights ect..
>
> Cheers
> Jim Doyle
>
> J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
> 114 Old Orchard Rd.
> Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
> 856-424-8660
> http://www.shadesofpaper.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 12:08 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same?
>
>
>
> I was under the impression that Lumijet rag media was just Hahnemuhle
> with their name on it and a price increase.
>
> If this is NOT true what is the difference. Does Lumijet purchase
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>
> John
>
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-11-03 by john dean
That's fine. I believe I know the answer. They market other peoples products. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle" <jdoyle1713@c...> wrote: > John > > I DOnt Have time to write books So If You Need To Know more > > Please Call Me! > > Jim Doyle > > J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C. > 114 Old Orchard Rd. > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 > 856-424-8660 > http://www.shadesofpaper.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@y...] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:56 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same? > > > > Well, is the Lumijet rag actually made by Hahnemuhle? I have also heard > that the Lumijet > print spray is actully repackaged Lyson Printguard with an additonal $2.00 > price ( and > label) attached to it. I also heard that the Luminos quad inks were the > same, Lyson quads > with Lumijet labels ( and price increaseses ) attached. > > If this true why do we fall for this. > > John > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle" > <jdoyle1713@c...> > wrote: > > John > > > > The Media Is somewhat the same However They both have different products > in > > the line up..Different weights ect.. > > > > Cheers > > Jim Doyle > > > > J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C. > > 114 Old Orchard Rd. > > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 > > 856-424-8660 > > http://www.shadesofpaper.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@y...] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 12:08 PM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same? > > > > > > > > I was under the impression that Lumijet rag media was just Hahnemuhle > > with their name on it and a price increase. > > > > If this is NOT true what is the difference. 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2004-11-03 by Steve Kale
It was interesting that Lumijet and Hahnemuhle were basically the one stand at Photoplus Expo.
> From: john dean <deanwork2003@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:19:02 -0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same? > > > > That's fine. I believe I know the answer. They market other peoples products. > >
2004-11-03 by Jim Doyle
No They Don't John.. Its a Long Story..
-----Original Message-----
From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:19 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same?
That's fine. I believe I know the answer. They market other peoples
products.
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle"
<jdoyle1713@c...>
wrote:
> John
>
> I DOnt Have time to write books So If You Need To Know more
>
> Please Call Me!
>
> Jim Doyle
>
> J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
> 114 Old Orchard Rd.
> Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
> 856-424-8660
> http://www.shadesofpaper.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:56 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same?
>
>
>
> Well, is the Lumijet rag actually made by Hahnemuhle? I have also
heard
> that the Lumijet
> print spray is actully repackaged Lyson Printguard with an additonal
$2.00
> price ( and
> label) attached to it. I also heard that the Luminos quad inks were
the
> same, Lyson quads
> with Lumijet labels ( and price increaseses ) attached.
>
> If this true why do we fall for this.
>
> John
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle"
> <jdoyle1713@c...>
> wrote:
> > John
> >
> > The Media Is somewhat the same However They both have different
products
> in
> > the line up..Different weights ect..
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jim Doyle
> >
> > J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
> > 114 Old Orchard Rd.
> > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
> > 856-424-8660
> > http://www.shadesofpaper.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@y...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 12:08 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same?
> >
> >
> >
> > I was under the impression that Lumijet rag media was just
Hahnemuhle
> > with their name on it and a price increase.
> >
> > If this is NOT true what is the difference. Does Lumijet purchase
> > paper from Hahnemuhle and then coat it themselves. If so does
their
> > dual sided rag hold up better?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-11-03 by Jim Doyle
They are The Same Company Just Different Products ..
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From: Steve Kale [mailto:stevekale@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:33 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle and Lumijet Papers - The same?
It was interesting that Lumijet and Hahnemuhle were basically the one
stand
at Photoplus Expo.
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> That's fine. I believe I know the answer. They market other peoples
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