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2004-11-14 by Mike McNamee
I keep hearing great things about the Dmax off Epson Ultra Smooth Fine Art Paper. Anybody out there actually measured it? With Photo Black Ultrachrome I am only measuring 1.36 Dmax. -- Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA Editor, Professional ImageMaker 5 Lansdowne Road Wallasey Wirral CH45 0LR Tel 0151 639 6400 Mbl 07929 935328 Fax 0870 137 8186
2004-11-14 by Walt Farrell
Mike McNamee wrote: > > I keep hearing great things about the Dmax off Epson Ultra Smooth Fine > Art Paper. Anybody out there actually measured it? With Photo Black > Ultrachrome I am only measuring 1.36 Dmax. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use Ultrachrome Matte Black on that paper, rather than Photo Black? Walt
2004-11-14 by Mike McNamee
Yes it would but that was not the question; I'll re-phrase it, has anybody measured both? Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA Editor, Professional ImageMaker 5 Lansdowne Road Wallasey Wirral CH45 0LR Tel 0151 639 6400 Mbl 07929 935328 Fax 0870 137 8186 Walt Farrell wrote:
> Mike McNamee wrote: > > > > I keep hearing great things about the Dmax off Epson Ultra Smooth Fine > > Art Paper. Anybody out there actually measured it? With Photo Black > > Ultrachrome I am only measuring 1.36 Dmax. > > Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use Ultrachrome Matte Black on that > paper, rather than Photo Black? > > Walt > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd > AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > *Yahoo! Groups Sponsor* > ADVERTISEMENT > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129ht03jl/M=298184.5584357.6650215.3001176/D=groups/S=1705019182:HM/EXP=1100551993/A=2426682/R=0/SIG=11edksnhv/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185402> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Yahoo! Groups Links* > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >
2004-11-14 by Antonis
Mike, measuring it is simple enough - or so it seems. If you try to isolate the variables that contribute to maximum black it's a bit trickier. I have assembled some numbers that give you an idea of the "statistical" nature of this... http://www.graysteps.com/downloadables.htm Antonis --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mike McNamee <mike@m...> wrote:
> > I keep hearing great things about the Dmax off Epson Ultra Smooth Fine > Art Paper. Anybody out there actually measured it? With Photo Black > Ultrachrome I am only measuring 1.36 Dmax. > -- > Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA > Editor, Professional ImageMaker > 5 Lansdowne Road > Wallasey > Wirral CH45 0LR > > Tel 0151 639 6400 > Mbl 07929 935328 > Fax 0870 137 8186
2004-11-15 by john dean
The whole point of the Epson uc matte black is to produce max blacks with rag and non-rc matte papers.
> > I keep hearing great things about the Dmax off Epson Ultra Smooth Fine > > Art Paper. Anybody out there actually measured it? With Photo Black > > Ultrachrome I am only measuring 1.36 Dmax. > > -- > > Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA > > Editor, Professional ImageMaker > > 5 Lansdowne Road > > Wallasey > > Wirral CH45 0LR > > > > Tel 0151 639 6400 > > Mbl 07929 935328 > > Fax 0870 137 8186
2004-11-15 by Mike McNamee
The question is not which is better, it is "have you measured it?". I'll mark yours down as a"no" then? Who cares? - I do, why else would I have asked the question? You are making assumptions about why I want to know rather than answering the question. Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA Editor, Professional ImageMaker 5 Lansdowne Road Wallasey Wirral CH45 0LR Tel 0151 639 6400 Mbl 07929 935328 Fax 0870 137 8186 Scott Graham wrote:
> > why in the hell would one care? if you want max black you use matte; > if you want to > diddle then... > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mike McNamee > <mike@m...> > wrote: > > Yes it would but that was not the question; I'll re-phrase it, has > > anybody measured both? > > Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA > > Editor, Professional ImageMaker > > 5 Lansdowne Road > > Wallasey > > Wirral CH45 0LR > > > > Tel 0151 639 6400 > > Mbl 07929 935328 > > Fax 0870 137 8186 > > > > > > Walt Farrell wrote: > > > > > Mike McNamee wrote: > > > > > > > > I keep hearing great things about the Dmax off Epson Ultra > Smooth Fine > > > > Art Paper. Anybody out there actually measured it? With Photo Black > > > > Ultrachrome I am only measuring 1.36 Dmax. > > > > > > Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use Ultrachrome Matte Black on that > > > paper, rather than Photo Black? > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > > > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > > > this same page. > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > > > keep them short. > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > > flames. 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2004-11-15 by Richard
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From: Scott Graham [mailto:gebilwil@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 4:45 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dmax why in the hell would one care? if you want max black you use matte; if you want to diddle then... Well you might wish to deal in objectivity for a start matey. But then on the other hand perhaps YOU do not. Richard --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mike McNamee <mike@m...> wrote: > Yes it would but that was not the question; I'll re-phrase it, has > anybody measured both? > Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA > Editor, Professional ImageMaker > 5 Lansdowne Road > Wallasey > Wirral CH45 0LR > > Tel 0151 639 6400 > Mbl 07929 935328 > Fax 0870 137 8186 > > > Walt Farrell wrote: > > > Mike McNamee wrote: > > > > > > I keep hearing great things about the Dmax off Epson Ultra Smooth Fine > > > Art Paper. Anybody out there actually measured it? With Photo Black > > > Ultrachrome I am only measuring 1.36 Dmax. > > > > Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use Ultrachrome Matte Black on that > > paper, rather than Photo Black? > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > > this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > > keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > > the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > > B&W printing. 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2004-11-15 by Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike McNamee [mailto:mike@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:14 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dmax The question is not which is better, it is "have you measured it?". I'll mark yours down as a"no" then? Who cares? - I do, why else would I have asked the question? You are making assumptions about why I want to know rather than answering the question. ...in fact a typical American no less Richard --- [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are currently using to read this email. ]
2004-11-15 by Scott Graham
Hi Mike, Sorry I was in a grumpy mood. Try really hard not to make dumb posts, and obviously don't always succeed (twice last night, sigh... ) Scott --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mike McNamee <mike@m...> wrote: > The question is not which is better, it is "have you measured it?". I'll > mark yours down as a"no" then? Who cares? - I do, why else would I have > asked the question? You are making assumptions about why I want to know > rather than answering the question. > > > Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA > Editor, Professional ImageMaker > 5 Lansdowne Road > Wallasey > Wirral CH45 0LR > > Tel 0151 639 6400 > Mbl 07929 935328 > Fax 0870 137 8186 > > > Scott Graham wrote: > > > > > why in the hell would one care? if you want max black you use matte; > > if you want to > > diddle then... > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mike McNamee > > <mike@m...> > > wrote: > > > Yes it would but that was not the question; I'll re-phrase it, has > > > anybody measured both? > > > Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA > > > Editor, Professional ImageMaker > > > 5 Lansdowne Road > > > Wallasey > > > Wirral CH45 0LR > > > > > > Tel 0151 639 6400 > > > Mbl 07929 935328 > > > Fax 0870 137 8186 > > > > > > > > > Walt Farrell wrote: > > > > > > > Mike McNamee wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I keep hearing great things about the Dmax off Epson Ultra > > Smooth Fine > > > > > Art Paper. Anybody out there actually measured it? With Photo Black > > > > > Ultrachrome I am only measuring 1.36 Dmax. > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use Ultrachrome Matte Black on that > > > > paper, rather than Photo Black? > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > > > > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > > > > this same page. > > > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > > > > keep them short. > > > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > > > flames. 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2004-11-15 by Bailey Donnally
> You are making assumptions about why I want to know > rather than answering the question. > > ...in fact a typical American no less > > Richard I respect your right to ask questions whose purpose I do not understand. I do not respect your unpleasant and uncalled-for effort to insult Americans in general. Bailey
2004-11-15 by Bill Cheadle
Just what is a "typical American"? In 50 plus years of living in America, I don't think I've ever met one... > You are making assumptions about why I want to know > rather than answering the question. > > ...in fact a typical American no less > > Richard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.796 / Virus Database: 540 - Release Date: 11/13/2004
2004-11-15 by Mike McNamee
This is getting out of hand, let me try and help. My Ilford Studio RIP does not recognise the Matte Cartridge, in fact it hangs the system. This has been amended in version 2 but the company is experiencing a little local difficulty as we say in England. I am trying to establish the Dmaxes for both or either Matte and Photo Black. I have measured the Photo Black version at 1.36 which is a little low. I am curious if I am alone, great claims are being made for the paper and I am trying to see if they are justified. It has nothing to do with what is best,. On other paper I find that switching from Photo to Matte shifts the Dmax up by about 0.16 units which _might _place EUSFAP at around 1.52, not bad but not earth shattering either. Sorry for causing so much stress, I thought it was a simple enquiry! Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA Editor, Professional ImageMaker 5 Lansdowne Road Wallasey Wirral CH45 0LR Tel 0151 639 6400 Mbl 07929 935328 Fax 0870 137 8186 Bill Cheadle wrote:
> Just what is a "typical American"? In 50 plus years of living in > America, I > don't think I've ever met one... > > > > > > > > > You are making assumptions about why I want to know > > rather than answering the question. > > > > ...in fact a typical American no less > > > > Richard > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > <http://www.grisoft.com%29.> > Version: 6.0.796 / Virus Database: 540 - Release Date: 11/13/2004 > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd > AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > *Yahoo! Groups Sponsor* > ADVERTISEMENT > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129v19kq1/M=298184.5584357.6650215.3001176/D=groups/S=1705019182:HM/EXP=1100645521/A=2426682/R=0/SIG=11edksnhv/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185402> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Yahoo! Groups Links* > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >
2004-11-16 by Richard
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From: Bailey Donnally [mailto:bdonnally@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:10 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dmax I respect your right to ask questions whose purpose I do not understand. I do not respect your unpleasant and uncalled-for effort to insult Americans in general. Bailey Why, are you all different then? Richard Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links --- [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are currently using to read this email. ] --- [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are currently using to read this email. ]
2004-11-16 by Scott
It was a simple request and the fault for the OT idiocy is mine, not yours. Sorry again. Guys, why don't you lambast me by email as I deserve and get this thread back into---hmmm---darkness I guess, as in the Dmax sense of course. Scott --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mike McNamee <mike@m...> wrote:
> This is getting out of hand, let me try and help. > > My Ilford Studio RIP does not recognise the Matte Cartridge, in fact it > hangs the system. This has been amended in version 2 but the company is > experiencing a little local difficulty as we say in England. I am trying > to establish the Dmaxes for both or either Matte and Photo Black. I have
2004-11-16 by Bill Cheadle
>Why, are you all different then? >Richard Your poorly written response to Bailey's attempt to reach out negates your earlier, ignorant statement... my very point, indeed...thank you! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.796 / Virus Database: 540 - Release Date: 11/13/2004
2004-11-16 by Tom Baker
Scott - This is the same 'Richard' that made such an arse of himself on the Epson Wide Format forum. Never has anything constructive to say. Just wants to belittle everyone. Tom Baker Scott <gebilwil@...> wrote: It was a simple request and the fault for the OT idiocy is mine, not yours. Sorry again. Guys, why don't you lambast me by email as I deserve and get this thread back into---hmmm---darkness I guess, as in the Dmax sense of course. Scott --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mike McNamee wrote: > This is getting out of hand, let me try and help. > > My Ilford Studio RIP does not recognise the Matte Cartridge, in fact it > hangs the system. This has been amended in version 2 but the company is > experiencing a little local difficulty as we say in England. I am trying > to establish the Dmaxes for both or either Matte and Photo Black. I have Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-11-16 by Francis Ford
1.35 or 1.55 Dmax is not worth talking about.A Xerox copier from 1980 can do better than that. If you are not at 1.75 you are know where.Francis Ford --- Scott <gebilwil@...> wrote: > > It was a simple request and the fault for the OT > idiocy is mine, not yours. > > Sorry again. Guys, why don't you lambast me by > email as I deserve and get this thread > back into---hmmm---darkness I guess, as in the Dmax > sense of course. > > Scott > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > Mike McNamee <mike@m...> > wrote: > > This is getting out of hand, let me try and help. > > > > My Ilford Studio RIP does not recognise the Matte > Cartridge, in fact it > > hangs the system. This has been amended in version > 2 but the company is > > experiencing a little local difficulty as we say > in England. I am trying > > to establish the Dmaxes for both or either Matte > and Photo Black. I have > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com
2004-11-16 by Brentley Beerline
Not to sound simple but how would one measure dmax? Regards Brentley
-----Original Message----- From: Mike McNamee [mailto:mike@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 01:14 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dmax The question is not which is better, it is "have you measured it?". I'll mark yours down as a"no" then? Who cares? - I do, why else would I have asked the question? You are making assumptions about why I want to know rather than answering the question. Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA Editor, Professional ImageMaker 5 Lansdowne Road Wallasey Wirral CH45 0LR Tel 0151 639 6400 Mbl 07929 935328 Fax 0870 137 8186 Scott Graham wrote: > > why in the hell would one care? if you want max black you use matte; > if you want to diddle then... > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mike McNamee > <mike@m...> > wrote: > > Yes it would but that was not the question; I'll re-phrase it, has > > anybody measured both? > > Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA > > Editor, Professional ImageMaker > > 5 Lansdowne Road > > Wallasey > > Wirral CH45 0LR > > > > Tel 0151 639 6400 > > Mbl 07929 935328 > > Fax 0870 137 8186 > > > > > > Walt Farrell wrote: > > > > > Mike McNamee wrote: > > > > > > > > I keep hearing great things about the Dmax off Epson Ultra > Smooth Fine > > > > Art Paper. Anybody out there actually measured it? 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2004-11-16 by Paul D. DeRocco
> From: Brentley Beerline [mailto:brentley_beerline@...] > > Not to sound simple but how would one measure dmax? With a densitometer, colorimeter or spectrophotometer. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@...
2004-11-16 by Steve Kale
I get around 1.68/9 on EEM/HPR with the MK cartridge (with QTR). You could try simply swapping the chip on the cartridge - placing the PK chip on the MK cartridge.
> From: Mike McNamee <mike@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:29:59 +0000 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dmax > > > This is getting out of hand, let me try and help. > > My Ilford Studio RIP does not recognise the Matte Cartridge, in fact it > hangs the system. This has been amended in version 2 but the company is > experiencing a little local difficulty as we say in England. I am trying > to establish the Dmaxes for both or either Matte and Photo Black. I have > measured the Photo Black version at 1.36 which is a little low. I am > curious if I am alone, great claims are being made for the paper and I > am trying to see if they are justified. It has nothing to do with what > is best,. On other paper I find that switching from Photo to Matte > shifts the Dmax up by about 0.16 units which _might _place EUSFAP at > around 1.52, not bad but not earth shattering either. > > Sorry for causing so much stress, I thought it was a simple enquiry! > > > Mike McNamee FRPS FBPPA > Editor, Professional ImageMaker > 5 Lansdowne Road > Wallasey > Wirral CH45 0LR > > Tel 0151 639 6400 > Mbl 07929 935328 > Fax 0870 137 8186
2004-11-16 by Richard
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From: Tom Baker [mailto:tbaker1328@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:32 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dmax Scott - This is the same 'Richard' that made such an arse of himself on the Epson Wide Format forum. Never has anything constructive to say. Just wants to belittle everyone. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you consider attempting to stop off-topic discussion on USA politics is not constructive then let us assume logic is being turned on it's head Mr Turnip. If you consider that attempting to initiate a discussion on the true definition of fine art in Ink jet printing in much the same the same light then one might be forgiven for considering you to be a sad and ignorant twit. You really are talking a load of old crap Mr Baker so in future keep it to yourself will you. Richard --- [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are currently using to read this email. ]
2004-11-16 by Mark Savoia
Not again???? mark On Nov 16, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Richard wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Baker [mailto:tbaker1328@...t] > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:32 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dmax > > > Scott� - > > This is the same 'Richard' that made such an arse of himself on the > Epson > Wide Format forum.� Never has anything constructive to say.� Just > wants to > belittle everyone. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > If you consider attempting to stop off-topic discussion on USA > politics is > not constructive then let us assume logic is being turned on it's > head Mr > Turnip. > > If you consider that attempting to initiate a discussion on the true > definition of fine art in Ink jet printing in much the same the same > light > then one might be forgiven for considering you to be a sad and > ignorant > twit. > > You really are talking a load of old crap Mr Baker so in future keep > it to > yourself will you. > > Richard > > > --- > [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your > responsibility > to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are > currently using to read this email. ] > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� > AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE� �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <111004_1104_g_300250a.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > � > � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > � > � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-11-16 by Richard
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From: Bill Cheadle [mailto:wpcheadle@...] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:52 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Dmax Just what is a "typical American"? In 50 plus years of living in America, I don't think I've ever met one... You don't really want me to answer that question do you now? Anyway our British colleague is getting some answers to his question so there is no further need to continue this specific sub-thread. Richard --- [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are currently using to read this email. ]
2004-11-16 by Bill Cheadle
Well you got it rolling 'matey'...can't take the heat from the fire you built? >You don't really want me to answer that question do you now? Anyway our >British colleague is getting some answers to his question so there is no >further need to continue this specific sub-thread. >Richard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.796 / Virus Database: 540 - Release Date: 11/13/2004
2004-11-17 by Richard
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From: Bill Cheadle [mailto:wpcheadle@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:43 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Dmax Well you got it rolling 'matey'...can't take the heat from the fire you built? Don't push you luck bilbo. There's plenty in reserve I can assure you. Richard --- [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are currently using to read this email. ]
2004-11-17 by Bill Cheadle
moving on from moronic and ignorant statement to absurd threats, eh dickbo? >Don't push you luck bilbo. There's plenty in reserve I can assure you. >Richard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.796 / Virus Database: 540 - Release Date: 11/13/2004
2004-11-17 by Stephen Petegorsky
Maybe you can take this outside, as they say?
2004-11-17 by Richard
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From: Bill Cheadle [mailto:wpcheadle@...] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 1:12 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Dmax moving on from moronic and ignorant statement to absurd threats, eh dickbo? I take it that you are admitting to making moronic and ignorant statements then Bilbo, mind you I hardly consider you to be a threat. Richard --- [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are currently using to read this email. ]
2004-11-17 by Bill Cheadle
>Maybe you can take this outside, as they say? I apolgize...I've wasted too much time and energy on this jerk...won't waste anymore... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.796 / Virus Database: 540 - Release Date: 11/13/2004