Digital BW, The Print

I am delighted that Jon Cone & Bill Bergh have so many loyal 
supporters out there...and I certainly wish them no ill will, though I 
DID find their system maddeningly frustrating and expensive, primarily 
due to frequent clogs.

It may be that, as Bill Bergh once told me, that this is endemic to 
using a fairly inexpensive printer (in my case an 1160) for a fairly 
sophisticated process in a manner in which it was never intended.

Perhaps.

My only comment/observation/complaint is this: I am a photographer, 
not a printmaker. My primary objective is to make more and better 
images in and through the camera, whether the recording medium is film 
or a CCD is increasingly a secondary concern.

PhotoShop is an amazingly powerful and precise tool, and after 
printing black and white photos conventionally for more than 25 years 
it's a pleasure to be able to work on and manipulate an image in PS 
more effectively and in a more pleasant environment than I ever could 
in a darkroom doing things manually.
And no more spotting!

So, yeah, I expected a learning curve with Piezography. I expected to 
spend whatever requisite time was needed to further or additonally 
calibrate my monitor, tweak settings for different sorts of images, 
for instance defining PS actions to get levels to where they should be 
in photos that needed more or less contrast, or at least get close; 
but basically to do whatever it took to get this system standardized 
and working.

But first and foremost, I expected the system to work, on a very nuts 
and bolts level, right out of the box, just like an Epson, just like a 
Pictograph....

I did not expect spend countless hours flushing the machine and 
wasting valuable ink.
I did not expect to find that some of the very papers that are in 
Cones own "Sample" pack needed to be sprayed to hold the ink to paper.

Someone replied earlier that when these problems/frustrations started 
to happen, that was when he (and I) started to check out some of these 
forums, and read about other peoples experiences/solutions to these 
problems.
I was amazed to find all kinds of ingenous tricks to faciliate 
unclogging the heads;
the windex/Fantastik method, blowing out bubbles with syringes, etc . 
etc.

Call me cranky; I guess I'm just not interested in that; it seems 
unnecessarily fussy and time consuming, and frankly, on an ongoing 
basis, I'd rather be working on the images than working on the 
machinery used to produce them.

Maybe Lyson SG will work; maybe it will prove to be an inferior 
product to the Piezography system and Cone inks. Maybe I'll find a way  
to tweak and standardize the Epson drivers to allow me to print black 
and white images to my satisfaction (they do a fantastic job in color, 
and the newer generation printers are drawing raves). Regrettably, 
even Epson readily admits that their printers are not designed for 
black and white printing.

And who knows, maybe in the end Piezography will work out all the 
kinks and be the wonder it claims...For the guy on the list who has 
printed 100's (1000's???)of prints without a clog or banding...well 
brother, I wish that I'd had your luck.
All I'm saying is that for now it just doesn't do

I guess I too was lucky - absolutely turn-key operation from the 
piezo system.  BUT... My 1160 printer suddenly croaked with ruined 
heads. Am I to drop another $50 for the Piezo 6.0 upgrade, and $390 
for the bloody hextone (the quad printers are out-of-date) inks to 
get back to square one? Or will I be just as happy with a MIS hex 
system @$76 for the inks?  
AZ



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sturos@m... wrote:
> I am delighted that Jon Cone & Bill Bergh have so many loyal 
> supporters out there...and I certainly wish them no ill will, 
though I 
> DID find their system maddeningly frustrating and expensive, 
primarily 
> due to frequent clogs.
> 
> It may be that, as Bill Bergh once told me, that this is endemic to 
> using a fairly inexpensive printer (in my case an 1160) for a 
fairly 
> sophisticated process in a manner in which it was never intended.
> 
> Perhaps.
> 
> My only comment/observation/complaint is this: I am a photographer, 
> not a printmaker. My primary objective is to make more and better 
> images in and through the camera, whether the recording medium is 
film 
> or a CCD is increasingly a secondary concern.
> 
> PhotoShop is an amazingly powerful and precise tool, and after 
> printing black and white photos conventionally for more than 25 
years 
> it's a pleasure to be able to work on and manipulate an image in PS 
> more effectively and in a more pleasant environment than I ever 
could 
> in a darkroom doing things manually.
> And no more spotting!
> 
> So, yeah, I expected a learning curve with Piezography. I expected 
to 
> spend whatever requisite time was needed to further or additonally 
> calibrate my monitor, tweak settings for different sorts of images, 
> for instance defining PS actions to get levels to where they should 
be 
> in photos that needed more or less contrast, or at least get close; 
> but basically to do whatever it took to get this system 
standardized 
> and working.
> 
> But first and foremost, I expected the system to work, on a very 
nuts 
> and bolts level, right out of the box, just like an Epson, just 
like a 
> Pictograph....
> 
> I did not expect spend countless hours flushing the machine and 
> wasting valuable ink.
> I did not expect to find that some of the very papers that are in 
> Cones own "Sample" pack needed to be sprayed to hold the ink to 
paper.
> 
> Someone replied earlier that when these problems/frustrations 
started 
> to happen, that was when he (and I) started to check out some of 
these 
> forums, and read about other peoples experiences/solutions to these 
> problems.
> I was amazed to find all kinds of ingenous tricks to faciliate 
> unclogging the heads;
> the windex/Fantastik method, blowing out bubbles with syringes, 
etc . 
> etc.
> 
> Call me cranky; I guess I'm just not interested in that; it seems 
> unnecessarily fussy and time consuming, and frankly, on an ongoing 
> basis, I'd rather be working on the images than working on the 
> machinery used to produce them.
> 
> Maybe Lyson SG will work; maybe it will prove to be an inferior 
> product to the Piezography system and Cone inks. Maybe I'll find a 
way  
> to tweak and standardize the Epson drivers to allow me to print 
black 
> and white images to my satisfaction (they do a fantastic job in 
color, 

> and the newer generation printers are drawing raves). Regrettably, 
> even Epson readily admits that their printers are not designed for 
> black and white printing.
> 
> And who knows, maybe in the end Piezography will work out all the 
> kinks and be the wonder it claims...For the guy on the list who has 
> printed 100's (1000's???)of prints without a clog or banding...well 
> brother, I wish that I'd had your luck.
> All I'm saying is that for now it just doesn't do

All you need for hextones is a printer (you will need that for MIS), a CIS
($150)...you will need that for MIS, and 2 bottles of ink (the ones that you
don't already have)...and the Piezo 6.0 uprades.

Robert

On 11/5/01 2:39 PM, "Alan Zinn" <AZinn@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> I guess I too was lucky - absolutely turn-key operation from the
> piezo system.  BUT... My 1160 printer suddenly croaked with ruined
> heads. Am I to drop another $50 for the Piezo 6.0 upgrade, and $390
> for the bloody hextone (the quad printers are out-of-date) inks to
> get back to square one? Or will I be just as happy with a MIS hex
> system @$76 for the inks?
> AZ
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sturos@m... wrote:
>> I am delighted that Jon Cone & Bill Bergh have so many loyal
>> supporters out there...and I certainly wish them no ill will,
> though I 
>> DID find their system maddeningly frustrating and expensive,
> primarily 
>> due to frequent clogs.
>> 
>> It may be that, as Bill Bergh once told me, that this is endemic to
>> using a fairly inexpensive printer (in my case an 1160) for a
> fairly 
>> sophisticated process in a manner in which it was never intended.
>> 
>> Perhaps.
>> 
>> My only comment/observation/complaint is this: I am a photographer,
>> not a printmaker. My primary objective is to make more and better
>> images in and through the camera, whether the recording medium is
> film 
>> or a CCD is increasingly a secondary concern.
>> 
>> PhotoShop is an amazingly powerful and precise tool, and after
>> printing black and white photos conventionally for more than 25
> years 
>> it's a pleasure to be able to work on and manipulate an image in PS
>> more effectively and in a more pleasant environment than I ever
> could 
>> in a darkroom doing things manually.
>> And no more spotting!
>> 
>> So, yeah, I expected a learning curve with Piezography. I expected
> to 
>> spend whatever requisite time was needed to further or additonally
>> calibrate my monitor, tweak settings for different sorts of images,
>> for instance defining PS actions to get levels to where they should
> be 
>> in photos that needed more or less contrast, or at least get close;
>> but basically to do whatever it took to get this system
> standardized 
>> and working.
>> 
>> But first and foremost, I expected the system to work, on a very
> nuts 
>> and bolts level, right out of the box, just like an Epson, just
> like a 
>> Pictograph....
>> 
>> I did not expect spend countless hours flushing the machine and
>> wasting valuable ink.
>> I did not expect to find that some of the very papers that are in
>> Cones own "Sample" pack needed to be sprayed to hold the ink to
> paper.
>> 
>> Someone replied earlier that when these problems/frustrations
> started 
>> to happen, that was when he (and I) started to check out some of
> these 
>> forums, and read about other peoples experiences/solutions to these
>> problems.
>> I was amazed to find all kinds of ingenous tricks to faciliate
>> unclogging the heads;
>> the windex/Fantastik method, blowing out bubbles with syringes,
> etc . 
>> etc.
>> 
>> Call me cranky; I guess I'm just not interested in that; it seems
>> unnecessarily fussy and time consuming, and frankly, on an ongoing
>> basis, I'd rather be working on the images than working on the
>> machinery used to produce them.
>> 
>> Maybe Lyson SG will work; maybe it will prove to be an inferior
>> product to the Piezography system and Cone inks. Maybe I'll find a
> way  
>> to tweak and standardize the Epson drivers to allow me to print
> black 
>> and white images to my satisfaction (they do a fantastic job in
> color, 
>> and the newer generation printers are drawing raves). Regrettably,
>> even Epson readily admits that their printers are not designed for
>> black and white printing.
>> 
>> And who knows, maybe in the end Piezography will work out all the
>> kinks and be the wonder it claims...For the guy on the list who has
>> printed 100's (1000's???)of prints without a clog or banding...well
>> brother, I wish that I'd had your luck.
>> All I'm saying is that for now it just doesn't do
> 
> 
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----------------------
Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066

You will be just as happier, (I'm MUCH happier) with the Hextones and a
1280 printer and paul's curves. Get the CIS system from nomorecarts for sure.

Jerry





Alan Zinn wrote:

> 
> I guess I too was lucky - absolutely turn-key operation from the
> piezo system.  BUT... My 1160 printer suddenly croaked with ruined
> heads. Am I to drop another $50 for the Piezo 6.0 upgrade, and $390
> for the bloody hextone (the quad printers are out-of-date) inks to
> get back to square one? Or will I be just as happy with a MIS hex
> system @$76 for the inks?
> AZ
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sturos@m... wrote:
> > I am delighted that Jon Cone & Bill Bergh have so many loyal
> > supporters out there...and I certainly wish them no ill will,
> though I
> > DID find their system maddeningly frustrating and expensive,
> primarily
> > due to frequent clogs.
> >
> > It may be that, as Bill Bergh once told me, that this is endemic to
> > using a fairly inexpensive printer (in my case an 1160) for a
> fairly
> > sophisticated process in a manner in which it was never intended.
> >
> > Perhaps.
> >
> > My only comment/observation/complaint is this: I am a photographer,
> > not a printmaker. My primary objective is to make more and better
> > images in and through the camera, whether the recording medium is
> film
> > or a CCD is increasingly a secondary concern.
> >
> > PhotoShop is an amazingly powerful and precise tool, and after
> > printing black and white photos conventionally for more than 25
> years
> > it's a pleasure to be able to work on and manipulate an image in PS
> > more effectively and in a more pleasant environment than I ever
> could
> > in a darkroom doing things manually.
> > And no more spotting!
> >
> > So, yeah, I expected a learning curve with Piezography. I expected
> to
> > spend whatever requisite time was needed to further or additonally
> > calibrate my monitor, tweak settings for different sorts of images,
> > for instance defining PS actions to get levels to where they should
> be
> > in photos that needed more or less contrast, or at least get close;
> > but basically to do whatever it took to get this system
> standardized
> > and working.
> >
> > But first and foremost, I expected the system to work, on a very
> nuts
> > and bolts level, right out of the box, just like an Epson, just
> like a
> > Pictograph....
> >
> > I did not expect spend countless hours flushing the machine and
> > wasting valuable ink.
> > I did not expect to find that some of the very papers that are in
> > Cones own "Sample" pack needed to be sprayed to hold the ink to
> paper.
> >
> > Someone replied earlier that when these problems/frustrations
> started
> > to happen, that was when he (and I) started to check out some of
> these
> > forums, and read about other peoples experiences/solutions to these
> > problems.
> > I was amazed to find all kinds of ingenous tricks to faciliate
> > unclogging the heads;
> > the windex/Fantastik method, blowing out bubbles with syringes,
> etc .
> > etc.
> >
> > Call me cranky; I guess I'm just not interested in that; it seems
> > unnecessarily fussy and time consuming, and frankly, on an ongoing
> > basis, I'd rather be working on the images than working on the
> > machinery used to produce them.
> >
> > Maybe Lyson SG will work; maybe it will prove to be an inferior
> > product to the Piezography system and Cone inks. Maybe I'll find a
> way
> > to tweak and standardize the Epson drivers to allow me to print
> black
> > and white images to my satisfaction (they do a fantastic job in
> color,
> > and the newer generation printers are drawing raves). Regrettably,
> > even Epson readily admits that their printers are not designed for
> > black and white printing.
> >
> > And who knows, maybe in the end Piezography will work out all the
> > kinks and be the wonder it claims...For the guy on the list who has
> > printed 100's (1000's???)of prints without a clog or banding...well
> > brother, I wish that I'd had your luck.
> > All I'm saying is that for now it just doesn't do
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
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I believe you could just buy the upgraded software for $49 and then switch your CIS (assuming you have one) to a 980 or other low cost printer.  I think you can find a 980 for about $179 or less on sale at Office Depot and other places.  It is a quadtone...and I think the 1160 carts fit it.  Check it out...call IJM for sure. 

Steadman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alan Zinn 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:39 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Piezo expectations




  I guess I too was lucky - absolutely turn-key operation from the 
  piezo system.  BUT... My 1160 printer suddenly croaked with ruined 
  heads. Am I to drop another $50 for the Piezo 6.0 upgrade, and $390 
  for the bloody hextone (the quad printers are out-of-date) inks to 
  get back to square one? Or will I be just as happy with a MIS hex 
  system @$76 for the inks?  
  AZ



  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sturos@m... wrote:
  > I am delighted that Jon Cone & Bill Bergh have so many loyal 
  > supporters out there...and I certainly wish them no ill will, 
  though I 
  > DID find their system maddeningly frustrating and expensive, 
  primarily 
  > due to frequent clogs.
  > 
  > It may be that, as Bill Bergh once told me, that this is endemic to 
  > using a fairly inexpensive printer (in my case an 1160) for a 
  fairly 
  > sophisticated process in a manner in which it was never intended.
  > 
  > Perhaps.
  > 
  > My only comment/observation/complaint is this: I am a photographer, 
  > not a printmaker. My primary objective is to make more and better 
  > images in and through the camera, whether the recording medium is 
  film 
  > or a CCD is increasingly a secondary concern.
  > 
  > PhotoShop is an amazingly powerful and precise tool, and after 
  > printing black and white photos conventionally for more than 25 
  years 
  > it's a pleasure to be able to work on and manipulate an image in PS 
  > more effectively and in a more pleasant environment than I ever 
  could 
  > in a darkroom doing things manually.
  > And no more spotting!
  > 
  > So, yeah, I expected a learning curve with Piezography. I expected 
  to 
  > spend whatever requisite time was needed to further or additonally 
  > calibrate my monitor, tweak settings for different sorts of images, 
  > for instance defining PS actions to get levels to where they should 
  be 
  > in photos that needed more or less contrast, or at least get close; 
  > but basically to do whatever it took to get this system 
  standardized 
  > and working.
  > 
  > But first and foremost, I expected the system to work, on a very 
  nuts 
  > and bolts level, right out of the box, just like an Epson, just 
  like a 
  > Pictograph....
  > 
  > I did not expect spend countless hours flushing the machine and 
  > wasting valuable ink.
  > I did not expect to find that some of the very papers that are in 
  > Cones own "Sample" pack needed to be sprayed to hold the ink to 
  paper.
  > 
  > Someone replied earlier that when these problems/frustrations 
  started 
  > to happen, that was when he (and I) started to check out some of 
  these 
  > forums, and read about other peoples experiences/solutions to these 
  > problems.
  > I was amazed to find all kinds of ingenous tricks to faciliate 
  > unclogging the heads;
  > the windex/Fantastik method, blowing out bubbles with syringes, 
  etc . 
  > etc.
  > 
  > Call me cranky; I guess I'm just not interested in that; it seems 
  > unnecessarily fussy and time consuming, and frankly, on an ongoing 
  > basis, I'd rather be working on the images than working on the 
  > machinery used to produce them.
  > 
  > Maybe Lyson SG will work; maybe it will prove to be an inferior 
  > product to the Piezography system and Cone inks. Maybe I'll find a 
  way  
  > to tweak and standardize the Epson drivers to allow me to print 
  black 
  > and white images to my satisfaction (they do a fantastic job in 
  color, 
  > and the newer generation printers are drawing raves). Regrettably, 
  > even Epson readily admits that their printers are not designed for 
  > black and white printing.
  > 
  > And who knows, maybe in the end Piezography will work out all the 
  > kinks and be the wonder it claims...For the guy on the list who has 
  > printed 100's (1000's???)of prints without a clog or banding...well 
  > brother, I wish that I'd had your luck.
  > All I'm saying is that for now it just doesn't do


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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Robert,
It is possible to do without the CIS. Conversations I'm having with Jon make
me think that it is possible to put tubes straightonto the head nozzles.
This is somethign I'm considering.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert G. Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Piezo expectations


> All you need for hextones is a printer (you will need that for MIS), a CIS
> ($150)...you will need that for MIS, and 2 bottles of ink (the ones that
you
> don't already have)...and the Piezo 6.0 uprades.
>
> Robert
>
> On 11/5/01 2:39 PM, "Alan Zinn" <AZinn@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I guess I too was lucky - absolutely turn-key operation from the
> > piezo system.  BUT... My 1160 printer suddenly croaked with ruined
> > heads. Am I to drop another $50 for the Piezo 6.0 upgrade, and $390
> > for the bloody hextone (the quad printers are out-of-date) inks to
> > get back to square one? Or will I be just as happy with a MIS hex
> > system @$76 for the inks?
> > AZ
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sturos@m... wrote:
> >> I am delighted that Jon Cone & Bill Bergh have so many loyal
> >> supporters out there...and I certainly wish them no ill will,
> > though I
> >> DID find their system maddeningly frustrating and expensive,
> > primarily
> >> due to frequent clogs.
> >>
> >> It may be that, as Bill Bergh once told me, that this is endemic to
> >> using a fairly inexpensive printer (in my case an 1160) for a
> > fairly
> >> sophisticated process in a manner in which it was never intended.
> >>
> >> Perhaps.
> >>
> >> My only comment/observation/complaint is this: I am a photographer,
> >> not a printmaker. My primary objective is to make more and better
> >> images in and through the camera, whether the recording medium is
> > film
> >> or a CCD is increasingly a secondary concern.
> >>
> >> PhotoShop is an amazingly powerful and precise tool, and after
> >> printing black and white photos conventionally for more than 25
> > years
> >> it's a pleasure to be able to work on and manipulate an image in PS
> >> more effectively and in a more pleasant environment than I ever
> > could
> >> in a darkroom doing things manually.
> >> And no more spotting!
> >>
> >> So, yeah, I expected a learning curve with Piezography. I expected
> > to
> >> spend whatever requisite time was needed to further or additonally
> >> calibrate my monitor, tweak settings for different sorts of images,
> >> for instance defining PS actions to get levels to where they should
> > be
> >> in photos that needed more or less contrast, or at least get close;
> >> but basically to do whatever it took to get this system
> > standardized
> >> and working.
> >>
> >> But first and foremost, I expected the system to work, on a very
> > nuts
> >> and bolts level, right out of the box, just like an Epson, just
> > like a
> >> Pictograph....
> >>
> >> I did not expect spend countless hours flushing the machine and
> >> wasting valuable ink.
> >> I did not expect to find that some of the very papers that are in
> >> Cones own "Sample" pack needed to be sprayed to hold the ink to
> > paper.
> >>
> >> Someone replied earlier that when these problems/frustrations
> > started
> >> to happen, that was when he (and I) started to check out some of
> > these
> >> forums, and read about other peoples experiences/solutions to these
> >> problems.
> >> I was amazed to find all kinds of ingenous tricks to faciliate
> >> unclogging the heads;
> >> the windex/Fantastik method, blowing out bubbles with syringes,
> > etc .
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> Call me cranky; I guess I'm just not interested in that; it seems
> >> unnecessarily fussy and time consuming, and frankly, on an ongoing
> >> basis, I'd rather be working on the images than working on the
> >> machinery used to produce them.
> >>
> >> Maybe Lyson SG will work; maybe it will prove to be an inferior
> >> product to the Piezography system and Cone inks. Maybe I'll find a
> > way
> >> to tweak and standardize the Epson drivers to allow me to print
> > black
> >> and white images to my satisfaction (they do a fantastic job in
> > color,
> >> and the newer generation printers are drawing raves). Regrettably,
> >> even Epson readily admits that their printers are not designed for
> >> black and white printing.
> >>
> >> And who knows, maybe in the end Piezography will work out all the
> >> kinks and be the wonder it claims...For the guy on the list who has
> >> printed 100's (1000's???)of prints without a clog or banding...well
> >> brother, I wish that I'd had your luck.
> >> All I'm saying is that for now it just doesn't do
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other
> > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> >
> > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > - Include your full name with your message.
> > - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to
keep
> > them short.
> > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject
header.
> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
"flames."
> > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
> > resources on the homepage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------
> Robert Morrison
> rmorrison@...
>
> 310-397-2704
>
> 4131 Bledsoe Ave.
> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>
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Steadman and all,

980 carts are VERY different from 1160 carts (I'd guess they hold about
twice the volume). It makes it, IMHO, a very attractive option for starting
with Piezo BW because you'll get more prints out of the relatively expensive
carts (which are the same price as the smaller ones if I recall). I am sure
I saw Epson US had the 980 at $99!!!!! That does not reflect UK price, but
it might be worth checking.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steadman Uhlich [mailto:steadmanuhlich@...]
> Sent: 06 November 2001 07:46
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Piezo expectations
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> I believe you could just buy the upgraded software for $49 and
> then switch your CIS (assuming you have one) to a 980 or other
> low cost printer.  I think you can find a 980 for about $179 or
> less on sale at Office Depot and other places.  It is a
> quadtone...and I think the 1160 carts fit it.  Check it
> out...call IJM for sure.
>
> Steadman
>   ----- Original Message -----
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