Digital BW, The Print

You are invited to join us at MediaPhoto a FREE Yahoo Group for 
professional photographers, aspiring professionals, working 
photographers, assistants or students of photography to share 
business and professional information. We welcome and are grateful 
to those seasoned pros who join to mentor us in becoming 
professionals. This is a group that discusses BUSINESS ISSUES. It is 
NOT for technical, self-promotion or other discussions. This group 
will ALWAYS be FREE!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mediaphoto/

This is not intended to start a flame war - but this is too important 
to ignore!

I am a member of EP - Editorial photographers:

http://www.editorialphoto.com

an organization for Professionals, aspiring professionals and students 
from all over the world. I have been a member of this group for more 
than 4 years. I became a member just after I became an 
artist/phootgrapher. The member count right now is more than 4,000. The 
wealth of knowledge, help and professional advice I've gotten from 
members of this group has saved - and made - me thousands of dollars.

In order to better serve it's members it is now moving off Yahoo and in 
order to do so there is a small fee - $25 for the first year if you 
join before 2005. After that is $50/year. Students/assistants can join 
for half that fee. This huge (I am ironic here) sum is obviously too 
much for some people - how that can be as for a student/assistant the 
first year cost comes to $0.034/day - that's right - 3.4 cents per day! 
After that it'll be 6.8 cents/day. For this HUGE cost you can tap into 
the combined knowledge of some of the worlds best photographers - you 
may not like the advice but it will be answers from people WHO KNOWS 
the business - and isn't that what you want? The truth - not guesses, 
right? Information that will serve you for the rest of your life

The group below is started by a particular member of EP who several 
times asked for professional advice, didn't like the advice he received 
from members - I was one of those who received an offensive, nasty and 
childish email when he didn't like it when I suggested that sharing 
copyright with models or modifying contracts without the advice of an 
attorney was not a good way to start a professional career.

And there's already posts on this forum that if followed will seriously 
erode the earning potential of anyone who follows this "advice".

There is a thread about this on EP - search for "MediaPhoto Yahoo group 
for aspiring professionals".

I suggest you read this thread before joining the group below if you 
really want Professional advice!

Christer


			Christer, AKA Christer Rosewell
"It's the artist's job to accomplish two things-to stir the emotions of 
the viewer
	  and to lay bare the soul of his subject." Jousuf Karsh
      Member EP (Editorial Photographers) - 4,000+ worldwide.
			  http://www.ChristerArt.com
		  	  3.4+ million visitors to date..


On Nov 29, 2004, at 8:21 PM, 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Message: 1
>    Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:17:22 -0000
>    From: "Dean Zgoda" <eclipseagency@...>
> Subject: Join us at MEDIAPHOTO Yahoo Group
>
>
> You are invited to join us at MediaPhoto a FREE Yahoo Group for
> professional photographers, aspiring professionals, working
> photographers, assistants or students of photography to share
> business and professional information. We welcome and are grateful
> to those seasoned pros who join to mentor us in becoming
> professionals. This is a group that discusses BUSINESS ISSUES. It is
> NOT for technical, self-promotion or other discussions. This group
> will ALWAYS be FREE!
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mediaphoto/


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Christer 
Rosewelll <christerart@m...> wrote:
> In order to better serve it's members it is now moving off Yahoo 
and in 
> order to do so there is a small fee - $25 for the first year if you 
> join before 2005. After that is $50/year. Students/assistants can 
join 
> for half that fee. This huge (I am ironic here) sum is obviously 
too 
> much for some people - how that can be as for a student/assistant 
the 
> first year cost comes to $0.034/day - that's right - 3.4 cents per 
day!

You should be writing ad copy for Popeil. 

That's right friends, and if you act today we'll throw in this free - 
FREE - sensor blower - normally a $24.95 value - but just to get you 
to TRY our exciting new Digi-Store combination digital storage and 
inkjet printing assistant, fully automatic and factory equipped to be 
compatible with all major operating systems.  Imagine impressing your 
rich know-it-all photographer friends when they SEE what this little 
unit can do.   That's right folks, DIAL from gamma to color to get 
picture perfect photo-quality inkjet prints EVERY time!    But wait, 
there's more!!   What would you expect to pay for this genuine 
imitation Naugahyde carrying case with attached business card pockets 
containing an ACTUAL membership in the Editorial Photographers 
association?  100 dollars?   50 dollars?  Nope.  A mere TWENTY FIVE 
dollars.   Twenty Five smackeroos!  That's only 6.8 cents a day - 
less than the cost of drycleaning your Christmas ties.  So how can 
you afford not to join?  Do the names Joel Meyerowitz, Lois 
Greenfield, Ansel Adams, David Alan Harvey or Herb Ritts ring a 
bell?   They are just SOME of the great photographers whose work you 
can discuss if you are a member of EP.    So don't wait, act 
TODAY.    This exciting offer is only good until midnight tonight.  
Operators are standing by!


(offer not good after curfew in Sectors R or N)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Nelson [mailto:pnweb@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:52 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Join us at MEDIAPHOTO Yahoo Group
>
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Christer
> Rosewelll <christerart@m...> wrote:
> > In order to better serve it's members it is now moving off Yahoo
> and in
> > order to do so there is a small fee - $25 for the first year if you
> > join before 2005. After that is $50/year. Students/assistants can
> join
> > for half that fee. This huge (I am ironic here) sum is obviously
> too
> > much for some people - how that can be as for a student/assistant
> the
> > first year cost comes to $0.034/day - that's right - 3.4 cents per
> day!
>
> You should be writing ad copy for Popeil.
>
> That's right friends, and if you act today we'll throw in this free -
> FREE - sensor blower - normally a $24.95 value - but just to get you
> to TRY our exciting new Digi-Store combination digital storage and
> inkjet printing assistant, fully automatic and factory equipped to be
> compatible with all major operating systems.  Imagine impressing your
> rich know-it-all photographer friends when they SEE what this little
> unit can do.   That's right folks, DIAL from gamma to color to get
> picture perfect photo-quality inkjet prints EVERY time!    But wait,
> there's more!!   What would you expect to pay for this genuine
> imitation Naugahyde carrying case with attached business card pockets
> containing an ACTUAL membership in the Editorial Photographers
> association?  100 dollars?   50 dollars?  Nope.  A mere TWENTY FIVE
> dollars.   Twenty Five smackeroos!  That's only 6.8 cents a day -
> less than the cost of drycleaning your Christmas ties.  So how can
> you afford not to join?  Do the names Joel Meyerowitz, Lois
> Greenfield, Ansel Adams, David Alan Harvey or Herb Ritts ring a
> bell?   They are just SOME of the great photographers whose work you
> can discuss if you are a member of EP.    So don't wait, act
> TODAY.    This exciting offer is only good until midnight tonight.
> Operators are standing by!
>
>
> (offer not good after curfew in Sectors R or N)

Not to forget that EP from very early on was really designed as a career and
product boosting platform for a small number of photographers.

> you afford not to join?  Do the names Joel Meyerowitz, Lois
> Greenfield, Ansel Adams, David Alan Harvey or Herb Ritts ring a
> bell?

Of course you won't find any such really successful photographers (the live
ones anyway) on EP

I've been on the EP list from pretty soon after it first started. It has
always had a very high noise to content ratio (despite, or perhaps because
of fairly heavy handed moderation) and you could probably condense the
useful content down to an FAQ of 15 or 20 simple topics (interspersed by ads
for Photokit or the latest paying seminar by one of the Board Members). For
a long time now I just got the digest, would skim through it and rarely find
anything of worth or interest. It could be fun to natter on, but I have
never found it a seriously useful tool, and as an organisation, compared to
the likes of ASMP etc, pretty toothless. Paying $25.00/$50.00 isn't worth it
for me for the value of information I get from it. I'd rather spend the
money on a subscription to Blindspot (or even PDN)

But I love your Ad copy above!

tim a