Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 2741
2005-01-07 by Andre Vallejo
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From: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 12:54 AM Subject: [Digital BW] Digest Number 2741 > > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. 2200 chip won't reset > From: "David Wroblewski" <dawroblewski@...> > 2. Premium Semi-Gloss/Matte comparison?? > From: "evanj1969" <evanj69@...> > 3. Re: Clogged Cone Ink user seeks new monochrome solution for 7600 > From: sdmey4@... > 4. Re: Clogged Cone Ink user seeks new monochrome solution for 7600 > From: Joel Pickford <joelpickford@...> > 5. Re: William Turner > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > 6. Re: William Turner > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > 7. RE: Invalid floating point operation > From: "Stephen Billard" <stephenb@...> > 8. RE: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > From: "Stephen Billard" <stephenb@...> > 9. RE: Harrington QuadTone?? > From: "Stephen Billard" <stephenb@...> > 10. Re: Paper type and layman's taste: what's your experience? > From: "e5bowman" <e5bowman@...> > 11. RE: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > From: <jm-ferreira@...> > 12. Re: BW negative scanning workflow' > From: "donbga" <dstevenbryant@...> > 13. RE: Re: Paper type and layman's taste: what's your experience? > From: <jm-ferreira@...> > 14. Re: Re: Photoshop b&w style > From: Jeffery Smith <jefferys@...> > 15. Re: BW negative scanning workflow' > From: "rgoldman2" <rgoldman@...> > 16. Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > From: "ldina" <lbdina@...> > 17. RE: Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > From: <jm-ferreira@...> > 18. RE: Premium Semi-Gloss/Matte comparison?? > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > 19. RE: 2200 chip won't reset > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > 20. RE: Print Shield (PremierArt) eliminates MIS bronzing > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > 21. Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > 22. Re: KirklandPro Glossy PROBLEMS > From: "koloshor" <wiz@...> > 23. RE: Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > From: <jm-ferreira@...> > 24. Re: New digital inerneg material > From: "koloshor" <wiz@...> > 25. Re: Paul Roark - need your advice > From: "John" <firewoodtech@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:50:33 -0000 > From: "David Wroblewski" <dawroblewski@...> > Subject: 2200 chip won't reset > > > I've just switched a cart, using my sk168 chip resetter > to reset the chip. Got a green light and everything on the > resetter, so I thought I was good to go. > > However, it reads out at it's previous level. I've > tried resetting it again several times, same result. > > Does this happen sometimes? That the resetter reports > success but the chip doesn't actually reset? Anyone > have tips to suggest before I break out the exacto > knife and replace the chip? > > david > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:52:43 -0000 > From: "evanj1969" <evanj69@...> > Subject: Premium Semi-Gloss/Matte comparison?? > > > i typically print on Epson Premium Semi-Gloss with MIS FSN & PK, but > am interested in trying Premium Semi-Matte. > > since it only comes in rolls that i'd have to cut, and can cost a > bit, can anyone offer a comparison of the two? (D-max, brightness, > finish, bronzing, longevity, etc....) > > can one use Photo K with it, or is Matte K or Eboni required? > > thanks > evan > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:53:06 EST > From: sdmey4@... > Subject: Re: Clogged Cone Ink user seeks new monochrome solution for 7600 > > In a message dated 1/6/2005 7:55:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, > joelpickford@... writes: > >> Regarding the 7000 vs. 7600 Cone print quality >> comparison, I had a couple of 16x20s done at West >> Coast Imaging a couple of years ago on their 7000 >> printer. I liked the prints very much at the time and >> I think the people at WCI do a great job in general >> with what ever processes they happen to be working >> with. But when I got my 7600 and printed those same >> images, then placed them side by side with the WCI >> 7000 prints, the quality difference was very apparent, >> both in ink dot graininess and tonal scale smoothness. >> Snip> > Interesting Joel. I have heard on several occasions that the 7500 and 9500 > where a tad more grainy in output compared to the 7000 and 9000. > I have both a 7000 and a 9000 and even with same inks I could never get a > perfect match between the printers, close enough but there have always > been > differences and probably always will be. I do use 5 of the inks most of > the time > Black, 2 magenta densities and 2 > Yellow densities and various combos of Sel, WN, and Sepia. The Cyan > Positions > if I have them both on there is bleed. > Studio print 11 came today, so soon I will know if there is any benefit > for > the Piezotone environments. > Steve M. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:05:09 -0800 (PST) > From: Joel Pickford <joelpickford@...> > Subject: Re: Clogged Cone Ink user seeks new monochrome solution for 7600 > > I do use 5 >> of the inks most of the time >> Black, 2 magenta densities and 2 >> Yellow densities and various combos of Sel, WN, and >> Sepia. The Cyan Positions >> if I have them both on there is bleed. >> Studio print 11 came today, so soon I will know if >> there is any benefit for >> the Piezotone environments. >> Steve M. > > Steve, please let me (and everyone else) know your > results, as soon as you have some. I will be very > interested. > > Joel > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:08:10 -0000 > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > Subject: Re: William Turner > > > I know it says to email, but I mean, can't you just tell us on > list???? <G> > > Just kidding. Hey, what would be the price for an iris box of > PhotoRag? I have to come up with some kind of deal for Steve. If I buy > all three boxes of WT, and trade him one for his box of PhotoRag, that > makes the PhotoRag a bit pricey for me doesn't it? > T > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle" > <jdoyle1713@c...> wrote: >> OK So Here it is Since I Like This Group a Ton I have a Member only > Sale On >> William Turner 310 Rolls 24, 36 & 44 inch So Email me and I'll Email > Back a >> Price! >> >> Sound Good.. >> >> Cheers >> >> Jim Doyle >> >> J. Doyle Enterprises LLC. >> 114 Old Orchard Rd. >> Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 >> 856-424-8660 >> www.shadesofpaper.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carolyn Frayn [mailto:carolyn@u...] >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:45 AM >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: quadtone print service? >> >> On 1/6/05 9:26 AM, "Jim Doyle" sent the following verbage: >> > Well Your Lucky!!.. I saw some of Tyler's work On Hahnemuhle WT 310 at >> Photo >> > East This Past Oct.. The Only Problem I Had was The gentlemen who > showed >> it >> > to me wouldn't let me keep it.. (Maybe Tyler Will Get The Hint and > Send Me >> a >> > Print For My office Wall!) >> >> > Jim Doyle >> >> >> Ha.. Yes Jim, I'm lucky :) He has a way with WT... >> Carolyn >> >> --- >> http://www.carolynfrayn.com >> >> >> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as >> they are often being updated. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to >> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same >> page. >> >> Please follow these basic guidelines: >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep >> them short. >> - Good manners are required at all time. 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Sending to list instead of > poster. Excuse me again... > Tyler > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" > <tyler@t...> wrote: >> >> I know it says to email, but I mean, can't you just tell us on >> list???? <G> >> >> Just kidding. Hey, what would be the price for an iris box of >> PhotoRag? I have to come up with some kind of deal for Steve. If I buy >> all three boxes of WT, and trade him one for his box of PhotoRag, that >> makes the PhotoRag a bit pricey for me doesn't it? >> T >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle" >> <jdoyle1713@c...> wrote: >> > OK So Here it is Since I Like This Group a Ton I have a Member only >> Sale On >> > William Turner 310 Rolls 24, 36 & 44 inch So Email me and I'll Email >> Back a >> > Price! >> > >> > Sound Good.. >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Jim Doyle >> > >> > J. Doyle Enterprises LLC. >> > 114 Old Orchard Rd. >> > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 >> > 856-424-8660 >> > www.shadesofpaper.com >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Carolyn Frayn [mailto:carolyn@u...] >> > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:45 AM >> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: quadtone print service? >> > >> > On 1/6/05 9:26 AM, "Jim Doyle" sent the following verbage: >> > > Well Your Lucky!!.. I saw some of Tyler's work On Hahnemuhle WT > 310 at >> > Photo >> > > East This Past Oct.. The Only Problem I Had was The gentlemen who >> showed >> > it >> > > to me wouldn't let me keep it.. (Maybe Tyler Will Get The Hint and >> Send Me >> > a >> > > Print For My office Wall!) >> > >> > > Jim Doyle >> > >> > >> > Ha.. Yes Jim, I'm lucky :) He has a way with WT... >> > Carolyn >> > >> > --- >> > http://www.carolynfrayn.com >> > >> > >> > >> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other >> resources as >> > they are often being updated. >> > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> > >> > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to >> > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting >> this same >> > page. >> > >> > Please follow these basic guidelines: >> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages >> to keep >> > them short. >> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. >> > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the >> > membership without notice. >> > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W >> > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed >> from >> > the membership. >> > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and >> > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group >> Owner and >> > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files >> section: >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ >> > >> > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT >> > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND >> > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE >> LIABLE TO YOU >> > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR >> EXEMPLARY >> > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, >> > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND >> > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED >> OF THE >> > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE >> INABILITY >> > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED >> ACCESS TO OR >> > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR >> CONDUCT OF ANY >> > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY > OTHER >> > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > Yahoo! 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Terms of >> > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:12:29 -0800 > From: "Stephen Billard" <stephenb@...> > Subject: RE: Invalid floating point operation > > It wouldn't hurt. Use the cleanup program that is also on my WEB site. > > > -Stephen > www.sbillard.org/Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans VR [mailto:hvr@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:22 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Invalid floating point operation > > > Stephen Billard wrote: > >>Something has corrupted the QTRgui.ini file. You can remove this file and >>start your configuration over. However, before you do so, I suggest you >>download a more current version the QuadToneRIP system from >>http://www.harrington.com/QuadTonePC.html and QTRgui from >>http://www.sbillard.org/Shareware/QTRgui.htm. There have been some >>considerable improvements since version 2.1.2. >> >> >>-Stephen >> www.sbillard.org/Stephen >> >> > Thanks Stephen & Michael, > > I will. I suppose I need to first uninstall? > -- > Hans VR > www.vanrafelghem.com > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF > ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns > ubscribe> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:13:58 -0800 > From: "Stephen Billard" <stephenb@...> > Subject: RE: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > It will look Black and White! (Sorry, I just couldn't resist....) > > > -Stephen > www.sbillard.org/Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira [mailto:jmf@...] On Behalf Of > jm-ferreira@... > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:00 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > Hi all, > > > > Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour wise) > from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? > > It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira > > T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:17:24 -0800 > From: "Stephen Billard" <stephenb@...> > Subject: RE: Harrington QuadTone?? > > The software does not seem to work with Windows 98 derivatives. You could > try version 2.1.11 with "Use Batch Files" unchecked. I believe that the > problems may have to do with Windows 98 batch limitations. Unfortunately, > neither Roy nor I have access to Windows 98 for testing. > > > -Stephen > www.sbillard.org/Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsams2002 [mailto:normsams@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:43 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Harrington QuadTone?? > > > > I downloaded successfully (I think) the QuadTone Rip Graphical > Interace Version 2.1.10. (I'm working with Windows 98SE and an Epson > 1280). When I call up a photo to print, nothing happens when I press > the PRINT button. I assume I'm missing something. The GIMP setup? > I've gone to that website and come away totally confused. Advice is > obviously needed and welcome! > > Norm > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:27:06 -0000 > From: "e5bowman" <e5bowman@...> > Subject: Re: Paper type and layman's taste: what's your experience? > > > > I've had similar feedback...Many people think that RC papers look > like "real photos," while matte papers are from an inkjet. (And > they're partially right - the matte DID come from an inkjet, right? > They just don't assume that the glossy did.) > > As Doug mentioned, one nice thing about the matte papers is that > they look great under glass - from any angle. There is no "glare" > like there is from RC papers. And it is difficult, if not > impossible, to tell what paper type once it is under glass. > > That said, I've been struggling a bit with the same thing. I really > like the way some of the matte papers look, the way they > (hopefully!) last, and they are very fashionable right now with > photographers, if not consumers. But I kinda like some of the > semigloss and glossy papers, actually. And they generally hold a > larger gamut - and I hate trying to correct out-of-gamut problems! > Maybe custom profiles for the matte papers would help a bit... > > Eric > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- > ferreira@b...> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've been showing around some prints from the 2100/2200, looking > for >> feedback. > So. I showed some prints to friends and relatives (non- > photographers) and >> they ALL thought that matte papers look "inkjettish", non- > photographic. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:34:21 +0100 > From: <jm-ferreira@...> > Subject: RE: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > That's for sure ! :-) > > > > J. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Billard [mailto:stephenb@...] > Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 02:14 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > > It will look Black and White! (Sorry, I just couldn't resist....) > > > -Stephen > www.sbillard.org/Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira [mailto:jmf@...] On Behalf Of > jm-ferreira@... > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:00 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > Hi all, > > > > Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour wise) > from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? > > It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira > > T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF > ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns > ubscribe> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:37:19 -0000 > From: "donbga" <dstevenbryant@...> > Subject: Re: BW negative scanning workflow' > > > >> With film, (I have a NIkon ls 9000 scanner) for best control of the >> negative in a raw sense, does anyone have a reliable workflow? >> Vuescan or silverfast ai software? Grayscale or RGB scan modes, > etc.? >> >> Many thanks! > > I use the latest version of VueScan with three different scanners, > but not with the N 9000. However I scan in 48 bit RGB TIF and try to > set the white and black point slider at the ends of the preview > histogram. > > This usually leaves a flat image which is adjusted later in PS. You > can play with the gamma settings to do some midtone adjustments. > Practice makes perfect. Sharpen in PS not VS, also set the RAW file > output to on. That way if you need to make an adjustment at the > scanner level you don't have to rescan the film. > > You can use the RAW file in PS or the regular TIF. I would suggest > using the regular TIF file to begin with. > > Don Bryant > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 02:40:07 +0100 > From: <jm-ferreira@...> > Subject: RE: Re: Paper type and layman's taste: what's your experience? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: e5bowman [mailto:e5bowman@...] > Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 02:27 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Paper type and layman's taste: what's your > experience? > > > > > > I've had similar feedback...Many people think that RC papers look > like "real photos," while matte papers are from an inkjet. (And > they're partially right - the matte DID come from an inkjet, right? > They just don't assume that the glossy did.) > > As Doug mentioned, one nice thing about the matte papers is that > they look great under glass - from any angle. There is no "glare" > like there is from RC papers. And it is difficult, if not > impossible, to tell what paper type once it is under glass. > > > > [JMF] I understand that. The \ufffd problem \ufffd is that I never put photos under > glass. Pardon the analogy, but I see glass a little bit like a \ufffd visual > condom \ufffd. > > The only time I had to put photos under glass was at a recent exhibit, and > only because the gallery *really* insisted. (something to do with > protecting > the merchandise.) > > > > J. > > > > > > That said, I've been struggling a bit with the same thing. I really > like the way some of the matte papers look, the way they > (hopefully!) last, and they are very fashionable right now with > photographers, if not consumers. But I kinda like some of the > semigloss and glossy papers, actually. And they generally hold a > larger gamut - and I hate trying to correct out-of-gamut problems! > Maybe custom profiles for the matte papers would help a bit... > > Eric > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- > ferreira@b...> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've been showing around some prints from the 2100/2200, looking > for >> feedback. > So. I showed some prints to friends and relatives (non- > photographers) and >> they ALL thought that matte papers look "inkjettish", non- > photographic. > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. 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Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:46:54 -0600 > From: Jeffery Smith <jefferys@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Photoshop b&w style > > There's a book (a bit old in scanning terms) called the Photoshop > Grayscale Book. > > > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:04:46 -0000, bghess_sp <bghess_sp@...> wrote: >> >> Josh, >> >> A good website with lots of info about photography and digital >> processing in general is www.luminous-landscape.com. They have >> quite a few articles on various Photoshop techniques, some related >> specifically to B&W. >> >> Ben >> >> >> >> >> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources >> as >> they are often being updated. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to >> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this >> same >> page. >> >> Please follow these basic guidelines: >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to >> keep >> them short. >> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. >> Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the >> membership without notice. >> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W >> printing. 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Groups Links >> To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:11:52 -0000 > From: "rgoldman2" <rgoldman@...> > Subject: Re: BW negative scanning workflow' > > > I scan my medium format negatives in a Polaroid Sprintscan 120 with > Silverfast. By selecting the negative mode the Negafix component of > Silverfast > automatically takes over. I think the following workflow should be > appropriate > for most scanning software,though. Choose the bit depth that you want to > scan in (36-48 is preferred unless you have a real memory constraint). > Scan > your black and white negatives in RGB not grayscale. Do the grayscale > conversion in photoshop. Some advise scanning at the resolution required > for > the ultimate print size you want, but many , including me, scan at the > highest > resolution the scanner will do. In my setup that is 4000 dpi, enough to > capture > full information from the 6x7 negative. That results in a pretty large > file, but if > you archive it on a CD or external drive, you don't have to scan again > when > you change your mind about print size. I do a simple levels adjustment. > (black > and white points) Silverfast has an exposure slider as well, and I use > that to > kick up exposure on negatives that look underexposed to me. But go easy > on > this step. If the scan is difficult to work with in Photoshop, you can go > back and > rescan with another overall density adjustment. The main objective of the > scan is to get all the information, as noise free as possible, from the > negative. I > rarely use curves at the scanning stage, preferring to do most of my local > contrast and other adjustments in photoshop. I do not sharpen in the scan > software. After checking that my scan settings are what I want (RGB, 4000 > dpi, 36-48 bit), I hit the scan button. When the scan is complete and it > opens in > Photoshop, the first thing I do is prepare the file for archiving. Viewing > at > actual pixels, I inspect the whole file cleaning up spots and artifacts > with the > clone tool or the healing brush. Then I make a copy for a working file and > rename it, saving the original in an archive folder on an external device. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:34:27 -0000 > From: "ldina" <lbdina@...> > Subject: Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > Jose, > > Yes, there is a way and it is very accurate. You can preview the > tonal range and the toning or a specific profile in Photoshop. You > will need a spectrophotometer and a profiling package such as Eye One > Match or ProfileMaker. The soft proofing procedure is on Roy > Harrington's website. It's easy and fast if you have the spectro and > software. You build a small "proofing profile" and use it in PS only > for proofing. You can then create an adjustment layer to correct the > image until you like what you see. Then save it as a flattened 8-bit > TIFF for printing. You would still use the standard QTR profile for > printing. I have done it an it works great. The match from PS to > the print is outstanding. > > Lou > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- > ferreira@b...> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour > wise) >> from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? >> >> It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira >> >> T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 >> >> <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:42:07 +0100 > From: <jm-ferreira@...> > Subject: RE: Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > Lou, > > > > Thanks for the info ! I was trying to avoid the expense this involves > though. > > I guess I'll just create a set of prints with different variations and > decide with my eyes. > > > > Jos\ufffd > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ldina [mailto:lbdina@...] > Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 03:34 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > > > Jose, > > Yes, there is a way and it is very accurate. You can preview the > tonal range and the toning or a specific profile in Photoshop. You > will need a spectrophotometer and a profiling package such as Eye One > Match or ProfileMaker. The soft proofing procedure is on Roy > Harrington's website. It's easy and fast if you have the spectro and > software. You build a small "proofing profile" and use it in PS only > for proofing. You can then create an adjustment layer to correct the > image until you like what you see. Then save it as a flattened 8-bit > TIFF for printing. You would still use the standard QTR profile for > printing. I have done it an it works great. The match from PS to > the print is outstanding. > > Lou > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- > ferreira@b...> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour > wise) >> from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? >> >> It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira >> >> T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 >> >> < <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net> > <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:44:27 -0800 > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > Subject: RE: Premium Semi-Gloss/Matte comparison?? > > Evan, > > >> i typically print on Epson Premium Semi-Gloss with MIS FSN & PK, >>but am interested in trying Premium Semi-Matte. > >>...can anyone offer a comparison of the two? > > Looking the the test strips I recently did on the 7500 with the UT-FSN+ > inkset, which uses a combined MIS PK and dark gray to generate the black > these the are relative results I see: > > D-max -- Semimatte has the edge. > > Brightness -- The white C, M, Y, Visual Density readings are: > PSM: .04, .03, .02, .04 > PSG: .06, .05, .03, .05 > So, Semigloss is a bit more cyan, but Semimatte is a bit brighter. > Wilhelm claims PSG has no brighteners and PSM does. > > Finish -- Semimatte has a finer-grained texture > > Bronzing -- Semimatte wins. > > Longevity -- Wilhelm lists both as having a dark storage of ">200 years." > My acid test pen suggests PSG is more highly buffered inside. The fade > results seem to generally favor PSG, but it depends on the conditions. > See > http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/SP4000.html > > Photo K is required for both papers. > > Hope this helps. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:44:28 -0800 > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > Subject: RE: 2200 chip won't reset > > Yes, sometimes the chips don't reset. That is why I recommend people have > a > couple extra around so they're not out of business waiting for the next > shipment. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Wroblewski [mailto:dawroblewski@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:51 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] 2200 chip won't reset > > > > I've just switched a cart, using my sk168 chip resetter > to reset the chip. Got a green light and everything on the > resetter, so I thought I was good to go. > > However, it reads out at it's previous level. I've > tried resetting it again several times, same result. > > Does this happen sometimes? That the resetter reports > success but the chip doesn't actually reset? Anyone > have tips to suggest before I break out the exacto > knife and replace the chip? > > david > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. 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Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 20 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:44:28 -0800 > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > Subject: RE: Print Shield (PremierArt) eliminates MIS bronzing > > Michel, > > I've never kept track of the worst papers -- there are so many. One > person > suggested Ilford Galerie Smooth Glossy. It's bad, but it seems typical of > many or the high gloss pigment-compatible papers. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sinwen [mailto:sinwen@...] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:44 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Print Shield (PremierArt) eliminates MIS > bronzing > > > Paul, > > The other way round, which paper gives the stronger bronzing ? With which > inks combination ? > > Michel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Roark > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:25 AM > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Print Shield (PremierArt) eliminates MIS > bronzing > > > Print Shield greatly reduces the bronzing, but it does not totally > eliminate > it. > > The lower the bronzing is before the spray, the better the final product > will be. I think among Epson Premium papers, the Premium Semimatte may > have > the least bronzing. For some reason it's only being sold in rolls (even > though I have a beta 17x22 box of it that seems fine). > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. 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Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 21 > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:50:19 -0000 > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > Subject: Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > You can also do the custom gray space soft proof thingy by eye, and > for free. Also, I imagine there are plenty of members on this list > with an EyeOne that would be happy to linearize your QTR output, and > make you a preview profile. Worth asking, might have to pay some small > fee. > Or, if you work in Roy's custom LAB gray space, you may get a very > good match without any softproof method at all. Or, perhaps you can > use Roy's LAB space as the softproof space. Roy? > Tyler > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > <jm-ferreira@b...> wrote: >> Lou, >> >> >> >> Thanks for the info ! I was trying to avoid the expense this involves >> though. >> >> I guess I'll just create a set of prints with different variations and >> decide with my eyes. >> >> >> >> Jos\ufffd >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ldina [mailto:lbdina@c...] >> Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 03:34 >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? >> >> >> >> >> Jose, >> >> Yes, there is a way and it is very accurate. You can preview the >> tonal range and the toning or a specific profile in Photoshop. You >> will need a spectrophotometer and a profiling package such as Eye One >> Match or ProfileMaker. The soft proofing procedure is on Roy >> Harrington's website. It's easy and fast if you have the spectro and >> software. You build a small "proofing profile" and use it in PS only >> for proofing. You can then create an adjustment layer to correct the >> image until you like what you see. Then save it as a flattened 8-bit >> TIFF for printing. You would still use the standard QTR profile for >> printing. I have done it an it works great. The match from PS to >> the print is outstanding. >> >> Lou >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <jm- >> ferreira@b...> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > >> > >> > Is there a way of previewing what the print will look like (colour >> wise) >> > from PS CS, before printing it with QTR ? >> > >> > It would be great if the QTR GUI had a preview window. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > >> > >> > Jos\ufffd Miguel Ferreira >> > >> > T: (+41) 076 472 09 15 >> > >> > < <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net> >> <http://www.jmf-photo.net> http://www.jmf-photo.net >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as >> they are often being updated. >> >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to >> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same >> page. >> >> Please follow these basic guidelines: >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep >> them short. >> - Good manners are required at all time. 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Terms of Service. >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 22 > Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:07:50 -0000 > From: "koloshor" <wiz@...> > Subject: Re: KirklandPro Glossy PROBLEMS > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "awahlster" > <awahlster@a...> wrote: >> >> Well, As the story continues our young hero discovers the problem with >> the amazingly cheap and pretty KirkLand Photo paper is in fact THE >> PAPER I know this is totally shocking but the evidence is over >> wellming (is that a word??) >> >> Anyway to stop being silly I tried the second package of paper >> printing from one box after the other same scanned slide done this >> morning and there is no doubt the light streak on my first prints have >> to be due to a flaw in the paper. > > And, from your other posts, I gather it's the same lot number and > everything. > > Here's a silly suggestion. I've seen things like this before. Usually > having to do with one box or batch or pile of paper having a slightly > higher moisture content than the other. High moisture contents (like we > use to keep our epsons from clogging) are death on most papers. Softens > the surface, and you get exactly the problems you're seeing. I bet if you > dry the paper a bit (and yes, a blow dryer will work, if you do it sheet > by sheet. You'll know when you've overdried) these problems will go away. > > You might have a box that was at the top or bottom of the pile on the > pallet in the cold, damp warehouse for long enough to build up some > moisture content. > > Or this theory might be totally off base. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 23 > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:34:24 +0100 > From: <jm-ferreira@...> > Subject: RE: Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > Tyler, > > > > I went back to Carl Schofield's site and downloaded the profiles (thank > you, > Carl). I did a quick test with a previously printed TIFF (grayscale/8 > bit/) > and chose the HPR-UCEB-SEPIA profile, even though this image was printed > on > Ilford Perl. I know colour management purists are grinding their teeth, > but > this was just a quick test. > > > > The resulting proof is actually pretty accurate when compared to the > print! > Is this normal? The black ink is not the same, the paper is not the same, > but it's accurate. Go wonder. > > > > Another thing: there is no change if I open the file with an assigned > profile of 2.2 gray gamma or 20% dot gain.. The soft proof looks exactly > the > same. Go wonder again. > > > > Does anyone have similar profiles for Ilford Perl paper with UC black ink? > Maybe they'll look different. :-) > > > > Jos\ufffd > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tyler Boley [mailto:tyler@...] > Sent: vendredi, 7. janvier 2005 03:50 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Soft proofing profiles for QTR (Win XP) ? > > > > > You can also do the custom gray space soft proof thingy by eye, and > for free. Also, I imagine there are plenty of members on this list > with an EyeOne that would be happy to linearize your QTR output, and > make you a preview profile. Worth asking, might have to pay some small > fee. > Or, if you work in Roy's custom LAB gray space, you may get a very > good match without any softproof method at all. Or, perhaps you can > use Roy's LAB (Message over 64 KB, truncated)