Digital BW, The Print

Hello gang,

Does anyone know for sure if the Media Street Royal Renaissance 
(Photo Rag) is the same as or their rebranded version of the 
Hahnemühle Photo Rag? They seem as though they would be the same, but 
thought I would check before ordering. 

Those using either of the above, how do you like it in comparision to 
the Legion Photo Matte? Looking for something a hair less white than 
the Legion Photo Matte, but with the same surface.

TIA,

Terry

> 
> Does anyone know for sure if the Media Street Royal Renaissance
> (Photo Rag) is the same as or their rebranded version of the
> Hahnemühle Photo Rag? They seem as though they would be the same, but
> thought I would check before ordering.

Before Photo Rag really hit the shelves I asked Media Street if they'd be
carrying it, because they are my favorite source for (rebranded) Hahnemühle
papers. Their reply was something like "well, we'll have our Royal
Renaissance. Well send you a couple of sheets to test", which they
graciously did. Likewise Digital Art Supplies sent me a couple of sheets of
Hahnemühle Photo Rag to test. Sure look like the same stuff to me.

> Those using either of the above, how do you like it in comparision to
> the Legion Photo Matte? Looking for something a hair less white than
> the Legion Photo Matte, but with the same surface.

It's not as smooth as Photo Matte, and the paper white is not as cool, but
to my subjective taste it's got a more quality feel. The substrate itself
anyway, but both are capable of yielding fine images. It's what I'll be
using too for "final prints". All the Hahnemühle papers that I've tried are
top notch IMO, and Media Street is the cheapest, and their service has been
very good for me so far.

You should request a sample, most places will send one or two letter sized
sheets for you to print on.

Todd

Todd,

Thanks for the reply, I took your advice and requested the samples, 
but it sounds like your description is what I am looking for. 

I also look to Media Street for the rebranded versions since they 
have excellent service and pricing. 

Photoinkjet.com was another possibility, but the have removed all of 
the Hahnemühle papers from their site and seemed to have replaced 
them with the Reflexion line of papers that also seem to be rebranded 
Hahnemühle. The Dresden paper appears to be the Photo Rag equivalent, 
and is just a hair cheaper than Media Street Royal Renaissance.

Hmm...

Terry


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Todd Flashner <tflash@e...> 
wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Does anyone know for sure if the Media Street Royal Renaissance
> > (Photo Rag) is the same as or their rebranded version of the
> > Hahnemühle Photo Rag? They seem as though they would be the same, 
but
> > thought I would check before ordering.
> 
> Before Photo Rag really hit the shelves I asked Media Street if 
they'd be
> carrying it, because they are my favorite source for (rebranded) 
Hahnemühle
> papers. Their reply was something like "well, we'll have our Royal
> Renaissance. Well send you a couple of sheets to test", which they
> graciously did. Likewise Digital Art Supplies sent me a couple of 
sheets of
> Hahnemühle Photo Rag to test. Sure look like the same stuff to me.
> 
> > Those using either of the above, how do you like it in 
comparision to
> > the Legion Photo Matte? Looking for something a hair less white 
than
> > the Legion Photo Matte, but with the same surface.
> 
> It's not as smooth as Photo Matte, and the paper white is not as 
cool, but
> to my subjective taste it's got a more quality feel. The substrate 
itself
> anyway, but both are capable of yielding fine images. It's what 
I'll be
> using too for "final prints". All the Hahnemühle papers that I've 
tried are
> top notch IMO, and Media Street is the cheapest, and their service 
has been
> very good for me so far.
> 
> You should request a sample, most places will send one or two 
letter sized

> sheets for you to print on.
> 
> Todd

Terry, also check out the Eclipse Satine and Velvet.

Jerry




TerryR wrote:

> 
> Hello gang,
> 
> Does anyone know for sure if the Media Street Royal Renaissance
> (Photo Rag) is the same as or their rebranded version of the
> Hahnem\ufffdhle Photo Rag? They seem as though they would be the same, but
> thought I would check before ordering.
> 
> Those using either of the above, how do you like it in comparision to
> the Legion Photo Matte? Looking for something a hair less white than
> the Legion Photo Matte, but with the same surface.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Terry
> 
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When I phoned mediastreet about the Royal Renaissance, they said it was 
indeed the Hahnemuhle Photo Rag but with a unique coating spec'd for their 
inksets. Other paper resellers have disputed that Hahnemuhle coats  their 
papers in a special way for different vendors. Who knows? PhotoInkjet.com 
has the paper at a lower price, at least for 50 ct. 13x19 sheets.

The difference between Photo Rag and Legion Photo Matte is, to me, even 
greater than the pricing gap. Photo Rag has a wonderful fine art texture, but  
still produces the sharpest prints I've seen. Great image depth, good tonal 
range, rich blacks, and a choice of paper weights. Paper base is not as bright 
as the Legion. With Piezo inks it is also warmer than the Legion. Similar in feel 
to a toned silver print. This is my primary choice for Piezo unless I need the 
more nuetral tone or softness of Somerset Velvet (uncoated).

on 11/14/01 1:36 PM, amadiallo2001@... wrote:

> PhotoInkjet.com 
> has the paper at a lower price, at least for 50 ct. 13x19 sheets.


Would that be what they call Dresden?

http://www.photoinkjet.com/cgi-bin/media/detail.cgi?item=H-PRWS3081319

If so you are right. It'd be $173 , vs just shy of $190 from Mediastreet

Todd

> > PhotoInkjet.com 
> > has the paper at a lower price, at least for 50 ct. 13x19 
sheets.
> 
> 
> Would that be what they call Dresden?
> 
> 
http://www.photoinkjet.com/cgi-bin/media/detail.cgi?item=H-PR
WS3081319
> 
> If so you are right. It'd be $173 , vs just shy of $190 from 
Mediastreet
> 
Todd
A few weeks ago photoinkjet was promoting this paper as 
Hahnemuhle Photo Rag. Just this week the web site link 
switched to their "new" German line, Reflexion. It would seem 
Dresden is their rebranded Photo Rag. I'm calling in an order 
next week and will confirm it with them then. FWIW I've had 
nothing but good experiences with both Kame and Anders. Both 
extremely knowledgeable and helpful with orders/queries.

Amadou Diallo