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2005-01-14 by John
On Paul's recommendation, I order the C86, going to get a set of cart. and EZ-N inkset soon. Since a lot of people are very concern about (bronzing with) this ink on glossy paper.... so has anyone try the Epson Durabrite glossy ?? Thanks
2005-01-14 by Paul Roark
I tried and was very unimpressed with Epson Durabrite glossy paper. I think the Costco paper beats it easily. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
-----Original Message----- From: John [mailto:firewoodtech@...] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:03 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] C86 On Paul's recommendation, I order the C86, going to get a set of cart. and EZ-N inkset soon. Since a lot of people are very concern about (bronzing with) this ink on glossy paper.... so has anyone try the Epson Durabrite glossy ?? Thanks Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-01-14 by John
Hi Paul, thanks again. From what I found, searching the web; many people claimed that the Costco glossy paper is made by Ilford, Switzerland. And they said it's like Galerie Smooth Paper paper. From Switzerland, (I think) there're two Co.; Ilford and Folex...... so what are your thoughts? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > I tried and was very unimpressed with Epson Durabrite glossy paper. I think > the Costco paper beats it easily. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: John [mailto:firewoodtech@y...] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:03 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] C86 > > > > On Paul's recommendation, I order the C86, going to get a set of > cart. and EZ-N inkset soon. > > Since a lot of people are very concern about (bronzing with) this ink
> on glossy paper.... so has anyone try the Epson Durabrite glossy ?? > > Thanks
2005-01-14 by Douglas Meeuwsen
well, the costco is definitely not ilford smooth. Ilford smooth has very much more bronzing. And it's a weird kind of bronzing that has diferent colors in it. Gold colors......Dm On Jan 13, 2005, at 11:59 PM, John wrote: > > Hi Paul, thanks again. > > From what I found, searching the web; many people claimed that the > Costco glossy paper is made by Ilford, Switzerland. And they said > it's like Galerie Smooth Paper paper. > > From Switzerland, (I think) there're two Co.; Ilford and Folex...... > so what are your thoughts? > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" > <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > I tried and was very unimpressed with Epson Durabrite glossy > paper.� I think > > the Costco paper beats it easily. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John [mailto:firewoodtech@y...] > > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:03 PM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] C86 > > > > > > > > On Paul's recommendation, I order the C86, going to get a set of > > cart. and EZ-N inkset soon. > > > > Since a lot of people are very concern about (bronzing with) this > ink > > on glossy paper.... so has anyone try the Epson Durabrite glossy ?? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� > AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE� �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > � > � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > � > � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-14 by scott_now_coming
Personally, I don't thinko it's Ilford either. From my research, Ilford has a plant in England and Germany. I haven't seen any mention of a plant in Switzerland. I have a feeling it's Folex in Switzerland that makes the Kirkland Glossy paper. Scott -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Meeuwsen <lipshurt@m...> wrote: > well, the costco is definitely not ilford smooth. Ilford smooth has > very much more bronzing. And it's a weird kind of bronzing that has > diferent colors in it. Gold colors......Dm > On Jan 13, 2005, at 11:59 PM, John wrote: > > > > > Hi Paul, thanks again. > > > > From what I found, searching the web; many people claimed that the > > Costco glossy paper is made by Ilford, Switzerland. And they said > > it's like Galerie Smooth Paper paper. > > > > From Switzerland, (I think) there're two Co.; Ilford and Folex...... > > so what are your thoughts? > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" > > <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > > I tried and was very unimpressed with Epson Durabrite glossy > > paper. I think > > > the Costco paper beats it easily. > > > > > > Paul > > > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John [mailto:firewoodtech@y...] > > > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:03 PM > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [Digital BW] C86 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Paul's recommendation, I order the C86, going to get a set of > > > cart. and EZ-N inkset soon. > > > > > > Since a lot of people are very concern about (bronzing with) this > > ink > > > on glossy paper.... so has anyone try the Epson Durabrite glossy ?? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > > this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > > keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > > the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > > removed from the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > > Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the > > Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" > > AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
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2005-01-14 by John Houghton
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > Personally, I don't thinko it's Ilford either. > > From my research, Ilford has a plant in England and Germany. I > haven't seen any mention of a plant in Switzerland. I think we got the idea that Ilford paper came from Switzerland from the label on the box that says "Manufactured in Switzerland" John
2005-01-14 by Hans VR
John Houghton wrote: >--- In >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" ><scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > >>Personally, I don't thinko it's Ilford either. >> >>From my research, Ilford has a plant in England and Germany. I >>haven't seen any mention of a plant in Switzerland. >> >> > >I think we got the idea that Ilford paper came from Switzerland from >the label on the box that says "Manufactured in Switzerland" > >John > > > Maybe because they have a website : http://www.ilford.ch/ ? -- Hans VR www.vanrafelghem.com
2005-01-14 by Paul Roark
I think the Costco paper is probably made by the Swiss Ilford group (old Ciba, I believe). However, the paper is new and unique. One older batch of Costco paper actually had an Epson logo on the back. The paper also has the buffered interior paper, which is rather unique to the Epson Premium group of paper. This all made me think Epson was involved. I've also heard Ilford makes some of the Epson paper. So, the paper may be a product that is made by Ilford and licenses some Epson technology. But it's all guessing. The bottom line the paper is about the best glossy paper made. I have no doubt both Ilford and Epson will, in the future, have papers that also use this technology. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
-----Original Message----- From: John [mailto:firewoodtech@...] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:59 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] C86 Hi Paul, thanks again. From what I found, searching the web; many people claimed that the Costco glossy paper is made by Ilford, Switzerland. And they said it's like Galerie Smooth Paper paper. From Switzerland, (I think) there're two Co.; Ilford and Folex...... so what are your thoughts? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > I tried and was very unimpressed with Epson Durabrite glossy paper. I think > the Costco paper beats it easily. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: John [mailto:firewoodtech@y...] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:03 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] C86 > > > > On Paul's recommendation, I order the C86, going to get a set of > cart. and EZ-N inkset soon. > > Since a lot of people are very concern about (bronzing with) this ink > on glossy paper.... so has anyone try the Epson Durabrite glossy ?? > > Thanks Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-01-14 by pdcorlis
Hey Paul I'm sure I missed this somewhere - What's the guess on Kirkland's archival stability? Thanks Phil
> I tried and was very unimpressed with Epson Durabrite glossy paper. I think > the Costco paper beats it easily. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com
2005-01-14 by Paul Roark
Based on the "acid-free" interior paper, I'd *guess* the Costco paper has the same stability as the Epson Premium papers, which Wilhelm rates as having a dark storage life of ">200 years." Paul www.PaulRoark.com
-----Original Message----- From: pdcorlis [mailto:pdcorlis@...] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:30 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: C86 Hey Paul I'm sure I missed this somewhere - What's the guess on Kirkland's archival stability? Thanks Phil > I tried and was very unimpressed with Epson Durabrite glossy paper. I think > the Costco paper beats it easily. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-01-14 by scott_now_coming
You're saying Ilford paper has Made in Switzerland printed on the box? I don't know, I've never looked at the package. I haven't use Ilford IJP, only the "wet" papers. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Houghton" <j.houghton@n...> wrote: > > --- In > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" > <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > > > Personally, I don't thinko it's Ilford either. > > > > From my research, Ilford has a plant in England and Germany. I > > haven't seen any mention of a plant in Switzerland. > > I think we got the idea that Ilford paper came from Switzerland from
> the label on the box that says "Manufactured in Switzerland" > > John
2005-01-14 by scott_now_coming
Thanks Hans. That changes everything. I went to Ilford's web-site a week ago and didn't notice "Switzerland". Funny, they's sell a private brand that was better than their own paper. Hmmmmmm...... --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans VR <hvr@a...> wrote: > John Houghton wrote: > > >--- In > >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" > ><scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > > > > >>Personally, I don't thinko it's Ilford either. > >> > >>From my research, Ilford has a plant in England and Germany. I > >>haven't seen any mention of a plant in Switzerland. > >> > >> > > > >I think we got the idea that Ilford paper came from Switzerland from
> >the label on the box that says "Manufactured in Switzerland" > > > >John > > > > > > > Maybe because they have a website : http://www.ilford.ch/ ? > -- > Hans VR > www.vanrafelghem.com
2005-01-14 by Larry Clemons
I will try and get some specific info on the Kirkland Paper. I know some of the buyers at the Costco Headquarters which just down the street from me. I'll ask me wife to do some digging too. She is a Financial Analyst who follows Costco stock and she knows most of the corporate leadership very well. Larry Issaquah, WA
-----Original Message----- From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@...] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:03 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] C86 Thanks Hans. That changes everything. I went to Ilford's web-site a week ago and didn't notice "Switzerland". Funny, they's sell a private brand that was better than their own paper. Hmmmmmm...... --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans VR <hvr@a...> wrote: > John Houghton wrote: > > >--- In > >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" > ><scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > > > > >>Personally, I don't thinko it's Ilford either. > >> > >>From my research, Ilford has a plant in England and Germany. I > >>haven't seen any mention of a plant in Switzerland. > >> > >> > > > >I think we got the idea that Ilford paper came from Switzerland from > >the label on the box that says "Manufactured in Switzerland" > > > >John > > > > > > > Maybe because they have a website : http://www.ilford.ch/ ? > -- > Hans VR > www.vanrafelghem.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Uns ubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-14 by José Miguel Ferreira
Hi, Regarding Ilford... They have their "digital plant" in Marly, near Fribourg (home of the cheese fondue!) here in Switzerland, about 100 km from Geneva where I live... Ilford's "traditional plant" is in England, but as far as I know it won't be for long... I have a hard time understanding why Ilford would put out paper under a different name, given their prestige in the photographic industry. José
-----Original Message----- From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@...] Sent: vendredi, 14. janvier 2005 17:03 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] C86 Thanks Hans. That changes everything. I went to Ilford's web-site a week ago and didn't notice "Switzerland". Funny, they's sell a private brand that was better than their own paper. Hmmmmmm...... --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans VR <hvr@a...> wrote: > John Houghton wrote: > > >--- In > >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" > ><scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > > > > >>Personally, I don't thinko it's Ilford either. > >> > >>From my research, Ilford has a plant in England and Germany. I > >>haven't seen any mention of a plant in Switzerland. > >> > >> > > > >I think we got the idea that Ilford paper came from Switzerland from > >the label on the box that says "Manufactured in Switzerland" > > > >John > > > > > > > Maybe because they have a website : http://www.ilford.ch/ ? > -- > Hans VR > www.vanrafelghem.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-01-14 by John Houghton
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > You're saying Ilford paper has Made in Switzerland printed on the box? See http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.houghton/ilflab.gif for the label, including the postal address. John
2005-01-14 by BKPhoto@aol.com
The DuraBright paper should print well with the C86/EZ combo. There is some bronzing. Bill Kennedy Associate Professor of Photocommunications St. Edward's University 512/448-8680 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-01-14 by scott_now_coming
Thanks, John. I don't know how I missed it on their website. Scott --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Houghton" <j.houghton@n...> wrote: > > --- In > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" > <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > > > You're saying Ilford paper has Made in Switzerland printed on the > box? > > See http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.houghton/ilflab.gif for the label,
> including the postal address. > > John
2005-01-14 by Carl Schofield
Ilford also has a high quality, printable, 2005 calendar featuring old photos of Marilyn from the Shaw family archives: http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/calendar.html
On Jan 14, 2005, at 12:48 PM, scott_now_coming wrote: > > > Thanks, John. > I don't know how I missed it on their website. > > > Scott > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Houghton" > <j.houghton@n...> wrote: >> >> --- In >> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" >> <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: >>> >>> You're saying Ilford paper has Made in Switzerland printed on the >> box? >> >> See http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.houghton/ilflab.gif for the > label, >> including the postal address. >> >> John > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” > AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2005-01-14 by Harold Goldberg
FYI, HP has some of their high end glossy paper made in Switzerland. Harold Jos� Miguel Ferreira <jmf@...> wrote: Hi, Regarding Ilford... They have their "digital plant" in Marly, near Fribourg (home of the cheese fondue!) here in Switzerland, about 100 km from Geneva where I live... Ilford's "traditional plant" is in England, but as far as I know it won't be for long... I have a hard time understanding why Ilford would put out paper under a different name, given their prestige in the photographic industry. Jos�
-----Original Message----- From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@...] Sent: vendredi, 14. janvier 2005 17:03 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] C86 Thanks Hans. That changes everything. I went to Ilford's web-site a week ago and didn't notice "Switzerland". Funny, they's sell a private brand that was better than their own paper. Hmmmmmm...... --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans VR <hvr@a...> wrote: > John Houghton wrote: > > >--- In > >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" > ><scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > > > > >>Personally, I don't thinko it's Ilford either. > >> > >>From my research, Ilford has a plant in England and Germany. 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2005-01-14 by sinwen
Jose, Couldn't it be a trial ? Testing technologies in real without taking the risk to destroy their reputation if something wrong ? It won't be too late to produce the product under their name if it works and nobody would know.
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2005-01-15 by scott_now_coming
Thanks Larry, I would really appreciate that. Scott -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Clemons" <clemonsl@c...> wrote: > > I will try and get some specific info on the Kirkland Paper. I know some of > the buyers at the Costco Headquarters which just down the street from me. > I'll ask me wife to do some digging too. She is a Financial Analyst who > follows Costco stock and she knows most of the corporate leadership very > well. > > > > Larry > > > > Issaquah, WA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@y...] > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:03 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] C86 > > > > > > Thanks Hans. > > That changes everything. > > I went to Ilford's web-site a week ago and didn't > notice "Switzerland". > > Funny, they's sell a private brand that was better than their own > paper. > > Hmmmmmm...... > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans VR > <hvr@a...> wrote: > > John Houghton wrote: > > > > >--- In > > >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" > > ><scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Personally, I don't thinko it's Ilford either. > > >> > > >>From my research, Ilford has a plant in England and Germany. I > > >>haven't seen any mention of a plant in Switzerland. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >I think we got the idea that Ilford paper came from Switzerland > from > > >the label on the box that says "Manufactured in Switzerland" > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe because they have a website : http://www.ilford.ch/ ? > > -- > > Hans VR > > www.vanrafelghem.com > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? subject=Uns > ubscribe> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
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2005-01-15 by John
Larry, thanks for helping out. If not for some reason that cannot disclose... then I think the best method will be someone who have the Kirkland paper, Ilford and Folex paper to test it for confirmation. TIA In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@y...> wrote: > > Thanks Larry, I would really appreciate that. > > > Scott > > > -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Clemons" > <clemonsl@c...> wrote: > > > > I will try and get some specific info on the Kirkland Paper. I > know some of > > the buyers at the Costco Headquarters which just down the street > from me. > > I'll ask me wife to do some digging too. She is a Financial > Analyst who > > follows Costco stock and she knows most of the corporate leadership
> very > > well. > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > Issaquah, WA
2005-01-16 by Daniel Ridings
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, scott_now_coming wrote: > I went to Ilford's web-site a week ago and didn't > notice "Switzerland". > > Funny, they's sell a private brand that was better than their own > paper. > > Hmmmmmm...... If you read the second paragraph of their latest press release (on www.ilford.com) you will see that: "ILFORD Imaging has two major manufacturing companies based in the UK and Switzerland. The UK business, based in Mobberley, Manchester, where it employed some 740 people, principally manufactures traditional monochrome photographic supplies. The Swiss manufacturing company, based in Marly, develops and manufactures digital inkjet products. The Swiss business is not in any form of insolvency and continues to trade normally. The ILFORD Group (Group) employs a further 310 people in subsidiary businesses in the USA, Europe and Australia." The tradition products (film and traditional photographic papers) has financial problems. The digital/inkjet division is doing just fine and is not affected. Daniel Ridings http://www.dlridings.com