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Logical Progression

Logical Progression

2005-01-16 by claudej1@aol.com

Having owned just about every Epson printer since the original Stylus in 
1994, I'm still amazed at how good these things are and how fast they got here.

I think the UC printers have slowed things down in the color world a bit, 
showing more of a refinement rather than a breakthough.

The world of monchrome printing continues to evolve rapidly thanks to the 
pioneers on the board (you know who you are).

Still all this tweaking still rides on the shirt tails of Epson hardware 
evolution...............so?

Since the incredible R800 color machine is the first one to use GLOP, woudn't 
it make sense to use it as a platform for doing monochrome glop? Since the 
porportional laydown is in the driver already and MIS makes "refill friendly" 
type cartridges, it seems like a most logical progression to make that the 
platform of choice for development as the ultimate monochrome printer for BOTH 
matte and glossy worlds of B&W.

The only guys that would get left behind in the process are the BO guys, but 
there are other affordable platforms for that.

I have owned/still own almost all PRO printers from Epson including the 9500, 
7500, 7600, 4000, etc. and the R800's color output and SEED makes all the 
rest look bad in comparison for only $399. I'm confident they will announce the 
13" version at PMA this year since it has been sighted in Japan for a while 
now, so it may be time to put those 1280's and 2200's on Ebay or just squirt lots 
prints until the heads die off, so you have an excuse to invest another $700 
into the next generation.

Claude


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RE: [Digital BW] Logical Progression

2005-01-16 by Paul Roark

Claude,

I agree, the R800 technology appears to be the next important step.  I
suspect they will move it to the larger formats as soon as they have found
and worked out the kinks with the letter-size machine.  Competition from
Canon and HP will keep them moving as fast as they can.

I'd like to get my hands on an R800 ASAP, but with Glop apparently working
well in the Y position or the UT2 and UT7 inksets, I think it makes sense to
first optimize the existing printer base.  (Meaning, of course, I want to
get the technology up to where I need it for my large format printing.)

By the way, it's more than Glop that may be important with the R800.  Note
that BO bronzing is less.  Those light inks are a large part of the problem.
The R800 1.5 picoliter dot is part of the solution.  The light inks are
gone.  These small dots and the lack of light inks may also allow really
smooth un-coated paper printing.

Note also the new R800 pigs -- blue and red.  Actually, the blue clone I
have and use in the UT inks is more like grape juice.  (Have you swabbed
some of the R800 blue to see the color?)  The 2 new pigs sandwich the
weakling magenta, thus allowing the driver to eliminate that pig from much
of the printing.  The Wilhelm rating of the R800 shows this improvement.  (I
totally eliminated it from the UT family, though I don't know how much old
inventory MIS has.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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Subject: [Digital BW] Logical Progression


Having owned just about every Epson printer since the original Stylus in 
1994, I'm still amazed at how good these things are and how fast they got
here.

I think the UC printers have slowed things down in the color world a bit, 
showing more of a refinement rather than a breakthough.

The world of monchrome printing continues to evolve rapidly thanks to the 
pioneers on the board (you know who you are).

Still all this tweaking still rides on the shirt tails of Epson hardware 
evolution...............so?

Since the incredible R800 color machine is the first one to use GLOP,
woudn't 
it make sense to use it as a platform for doing monochrome glop? Since the 
porportional laydown is in the driver already and MIS makes "refill
friendly" 
type cartridges, it seems like a most logical progression to make that the 
platform of choice for development as the ultimate monochrome printer for
BOTH 
matte and glossy worlds of B&W.

The only guys that would get left behind in the process are the BO guys, but

there are other affordable platforms for that.

I have owned/still own almost all PRO printers from Epson including the
9500, 
7500, 7600, 4000, etc. and the R800's color output and SEED makes all the 
rest look bad in comparison for only $399. I'm confident they will announce
the 
13" version at PMA this year since it has been sighted in Japan for a while 
now, so it may be time to put those 1280's and 2200's on Ebay or just squirt
lots 
prints until the heads die off, so you have an excuse to invest another $700

into the next generation.

Claude


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