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2005-01-19 by scott_now_coming
Paul, Have you tried printing on this Epson paper? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=250019&is=REG I noticed Wilhelm has rated it at >400 years. UC ink test is in progress. Thanks, Scott
2005-01-19 by Paul Roark
Scott, The URL didn't work for me. What is the paper name? Do you have a URL for Wilhelm's 400 year rating? Paul www.PaulRoark.com
-----Original Message----- From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:51 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Paul: Paper question Paul, Have you tried printing on this Epson paper? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=250019&is=REG I noticed Wilhelm has rated it at >400 years. UC ink test is in progress. Thanks, Scott Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-01-19 by Jim Doyle
400 Years.. Wow I Hope I can Live That long�LOLOL Jim Doyle J. Doyle Enterprises LLC. 114 Old Orchard Rd. Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 www.shadesofpaper.com
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:59 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Paul: Paper question Scott, The URL didn't work for me. What is the paper name? Do you have a URL for Wilhelm's 400 year rating? Paul www.PaulRoark.com -----Original Message----- From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:51 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Paul: Paper question Paul, Have you tried printing on this Epson paper? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=250019&is=REG I noticed Wilhelm has rated it at >400 years. UC ink test is in progress. 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2005-01-19 by scott_now_coming
Try this: http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/R800.html It's a plain, white Epson paper. It's probably too thin for photographs, but I wonder about the make- up since it has OBA. Scott --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Scott, > > The URL didn't work for me. What is the paper name? Do you have a URL for > Wilhelm's 400 year rating? > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@y...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:51 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Paul: Paper question > > > > Paul, > > Have you tried printing on this Epson paper? > > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? > O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=250019&is=REG > > I noticed Wilhelm has rated it at >400 years. > > UC ink test is in progress. > > Thanks, > > Scott > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER
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2005-01-19 by Paul Roark
Interesting. I had not seen the 400 year dark storage estimate. I wonder if we'll see the fade resistance numbers soon. I tried and tested Arches Hot Press, and found that it did not do as well as the coated papers in terms of lightfastness. It's interesting that Epson puts this in the R800 test. My estimate has been that the R800 dot size will finally allow really good uncoated paper printing. Maybe they think so to. I may have a sample of this paper (but finding it will be a challenge). Paul www.PaulRoark.com Try this: http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/R800.html It's a plain, white Epson paper. It's probably too thin for photographs, but I wonder about the make- up since it has OBA. Scott --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Scott, > > The URL didn't work for me. What is the paper name? Do you have a URL for > Wilhelm's 400 year rating? > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@y...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:51 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Paul: Paper question > > > > Paul, > > Have you tried printing on this Epson paper? > > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? > O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=250019&is=REG > > I noticed Wilhelm has rated it at >400 years. > > UC ink test is in progress. > > Thanks, > > Scott > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2005-01-19 by Paul Roark
OK, I found the sample Epson "Premium Brught White Paper." We'd call it copy paper if we didn't know better. It is thin, un-coated, and looks like any other cheap copy paper. The Eboni dmax in a 1280 is 1.45. The ramp is a bit on the blotchy side, but not as bad as most uncoated paper I've tried. I would not consider this a serious photo paper. The Wilhelm report below is worth reading if for no other reason than to see him trash the Kodak fade test procedures. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
-----Original Message----- From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:04 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Paul: Paper question Try this: http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/R800.html It's a plain, white Epson paper. It's probably too thin for photographs, but I wonder about the make- up since it has OBA. Scott --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Scott, > > The URL didn't work for me. What is the paper name? Do you have a URL for > Wilhelm's 400 year rating? > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@y...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:51 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Paul: Paper question > > > > Paul, > > Have you tried printing on this Epson paper? > > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? > O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=250019&is=REG > > I noticed Wilhelm has rated it at >400 years. > > UC ink test is in progress. > > Thanks, > > Scott > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2005-01-19 by scott_now_coming
Thanks, Paul. At $9/500sheet, I'll give it a try. If I don't like it, I can always use it in my laser printer! LOL! Scott --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Interesting. I had not seen the 400 year dark storage estimate. I wonder > if we'll see the fade resistance numbers soon. I tried and tested Arches > Hot Press, and found that it did not do as well as the coated papers in > terms of lightfastness. > > It's interesting that Epson puts this in the R800 test. My estimate has > been that the R800 dot size will finally allow really good uncoated paper > printing. Maybe they think so to. > > I may have a sample of this paper (but finding it will be a challenge). > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > Try this: > > > http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/R800.html > > > It's a plain, white Epson paper. > It's probably too thin for photographs, but I wonder about the make- > up since it has OBA. > > Scott > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" > <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > Scott, > > > > The URL didn't work for me. What is the paper name? Do you have a > URL for > > Wilhelm's 400 year rating? > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: scott_now_coming [mailto:scott_now_coming@y...] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:51 PM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] Paul: Paper question > > > > > > > > Paul, > > > > Have you tried printing on this Epson paper? > > > > http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? > > O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=250019&is=REG > > > > I noticed Wilhelm has rated it at >400 years. > > > > UC ink test is in progress. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as > > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. 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2005-01-24 by Ernst Dinkla
Paul Roark wrote: > The Wilhelm report below is worth reading if for no other reason than to see > him trash the Kodak fade test procedures. At the bottom of that R800 report Wilhelm also mentions that Agfa is now split up in 2 companies: The German one (AgfaPhoto GMBH) is allowed to use the Agfa vignet + the name Agfa for a transitional period and it will produce the analogue Color + B&W materials (+ run the labs etc) in the future, that company adapted the Kodak fade test criteria, so be warned about their fade figures for color photography. The Belgian Agfa-Gevaert NV produces the inkjet papers and will continue to use the 450 lux etc ISO standard that Wilhelm also uses. The much more severe test. It also uses the Agfa vignet with the name Agfa. That company licenses the Agfa brand name + vignet to the German company for the time being. I guess the German company fades before its papers hence the lower criteria they use. http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/R800.html All in all a confusing situation that will harm both companies + the brand name Agfa. Fade resistance of B&W, both digital and analogue is of another order but I guess the list members are not completely B&W devoted. Ernst