Digital BW, The Print

On Feb 4, 2005, at 8:54 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

>
> I mixed an LK based on PK and Glop.  Putting it into the C86 black 
> position,
> I printed a BO test strip with it and compared it to the standard MIS 
> LK
> printed the same way.  There was almost no difference.  So, Glop seems 
> to
> have no effect when it is mixed into the ink.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Moises Faidengold [mailto:mfaidengold@...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:27 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Ink all over


Paul,
I just put in my 1280 a brand new set of inks from MIS and I have a super
big mess on it. There is ink all over and the ink drips out of the
cartridge. As I'm new to this inks, I ask, what am I doing wrong?????
Thanks
Moises

Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>Don't leave the "Glop" sat in your printer for along period unused, 
>some types can react and cause the ink to dry out and solidify in 
>the cartridge particularly if it is acrylic or urethane based. 

Thanks for the warning.  I had a similar feeling and pulled it out as soon
as the experiment was done.  I use a C86 for testing.  It's a lot cheaper to
wreck one of these than the alternatives.

Glop is, of course, meant to be used in a printer, at least by itself.  I've
tried to inquire about clogging, but have found no evidence yet that it
clogs more than other inks.  This is an issue to keep an eye on, however.

>We did a 3year test on several versions of this type of combination.

Is it just the combination with other inks that is the problem, or does glop
by its nature tend to solidify?  

Frankly, the bulk glop looks most like the UT base.  When it is printed by
itself, it does have a bit of density to it.  So, it's clearly not just
base.  I think I've read the Epson version is an acrylic suspension.
Water-borne acrylic sprays, like aerosols, seem to have a bad reputation for
clogging those nozzles.

A paint technician once described water-borne acrylics as being like gooey
little golf balls suspended in water.  I have assumed that the acrylic that
Epson uses is relatively solid, but, on the other hand, it is used around
their pigments to help hold them onto the paper.  

Do you know how these Epson acrylic coatings and balls that are supposedly
used in the R800 glop compare to the acrylics that are in coatings, for
example the Golden mediums we were experimenting with for coating finished
prints?

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 





Forest John

Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
I mixed an LK based on PK and Glop.  Putting it into the C86 black position,
I printed a BO test strip with it and compared it to the standard MIS LK
printed the same way.  There was almost no difference.  So, Glop seems to
have no effect when it is mixed into the ink.



Paul

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-----Original Message-----
From: Moises Faidengold [mailto:mfaidengold@...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:27 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Ink all over


Paul,
I just put in my 1280 a brand new set of inks from MIS and I have a super
big mess on it. There is ink all over and the ink drips out of the
cartridge. As I'm new to this inks, I ask, what am I doing wrong?????
Thanks
Moises

Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>Don't leave the "Glop" sat in your printer for along period unused, 
>some types can react and cause the ink to dry out and solidify in 
>the cartridge particularly if it is acrylic or urethane based. 

Thanks for the warning.  I had a similar feeling and pulled it out as soon
as the experiment was done.  I use a C86 for testing.  It's a lot cheaper to
wreck one of these than the alternatives.

Glop is, of course, meant to be used in a printer, at least by itself.  I've
tried to inquire about clogging, but have found no evidence yet that it
clogs more than other inks.  This is an issue to keep an eye on, however.

>We did a 3year test on several versions of this type of combination.

Is it just the combination with other inks that is the problem, or does glop
by its nature tend to solidify?  

Frankly, the bulk glop looks most like the UT base.  When it is printed by
itself, it does have a bit of density to it.  So, it's clearly not just
base.  I think I've read the Epson version is an acrylic suspension.
Water-borne acrylic sprays, like aerosols, seem to have a bad reputation for
clogging those nozzles.

A paint technician once described water-borne acrylics as being like gooey
little golf balls suspended in water.  I have assumed that the acrylic that
Epson uses is relatively solid, but, on the other hand, it is used around
their pigments to help hold them onto the paper.  

Do you know how these Epson acrylic coatings and balls that are supposedly
used in the R800 glop compare to the acrylics that are in coatings, for
example the Golden mediums we were experimenting with for coating finished
prints?

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 





Forest John

Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
I mixed an LK based on PK and Glop.  Putting it into the C86 black position,
I printed a BO test strip with it and compared it to the standard MIS LK
printed the same way.  There was almost no difference.  So, Glop seems to
have no effect when it is mixed into the ink.



Paul

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-----Original Message-----
From: Moises Faidengold [mailto:mfaidengold@...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:51 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] RE: Ink all over


Paul,
I bought the inks at MIS Associates and the packages were sealed...
I guess I now have to send the printer to be repaired?
Thanks
Moises

Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
Moises,

I don't know what would cause this.  The carts are supposed to seal around
the pegs that go into the cart outlets.

Where is the ink coming from?

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 


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From: Moises Faidengold [mailto:mfaidengold@...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:27 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Ink all over


Paul,
I just put in my 1280 a brand new set of inks from MIS and I have a super
big mess on it. There is ink all over and the ink drips out of the
cartridge. As I'm new to this inks, I ask, what am I doing wrong?????
Thanks
Moises

Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>Don't leave the "Glop" sat in your printer for along period unused, 
>some types can react and cause the ink to dry out and solidify in 
>the cartridge particularly if it is acrylic or urethane based. 

Thanks for the warning.  I had a similar feeling and pulled it out as soon
as the experiment was done.  I use a C86 for testing.  It's a lot cheaper to
wreck one of these than the alternatives.

Glop is, of course, meant to be used in a printer, at least by itself.  I've
tried to inquire about clogging, but have found no evidence yet that it
clogs more than other inks.  This is an issue to keep an eye on, however.

>We did a 3year test on several versions of this type of combination.

Is it just the combination with other inks that is the problem, or does glop
by its nature tend to solidify?  

Frankly, the bulk glop looks most like the UT base.  When it is printed by
itself, it does have a bit of density to it.  So, it's clearly not just
base.  I think I've read the Epson version is an acrylic suspension.
Water-borne acrylic sprays, like aerosols, seem to have a bad reputation for
clogging those nozzles.

A paint technician once described water-borne acrylics as being like gooey
little golf balls suspended in water.  I have assumed that the acrylic that
Epson uses is relatively solid, but, on the other hand, it is used around
their pigments to help hold them onto the paper.  

Do you know how these Epson acrylic coatings and balls that are supposedly
used in the R800 glop compare to the acrylics that are in coatings, for
example the Golden mediums we were experimenting with for coating finished
prints?

Paul
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Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
I mixed an LK based on PK and Glop.  Putting it into the C86 black position,
I printed a BO test strip with it and compared it to the standard MIS LK
printed the same way.  There was almost no difference.  So, Glop seems to
have no effect when it is mixed into the ink.



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From: Moises Faidengold [mailto:mfaidengold@...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:51 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] RE: Ink all over


Paul,
I bought the inks at MIS Associates and the packages were sealed...
I guess I now have to send the printer to be repaired?
Thanks
Moises

Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
Moises,

I don't know what would cause this.  The carts are supposed to seal around
the pegs that go into the cart outlets.

Where is the ink coming from?

Paul
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-----Original Message-----
From: Moises Faidengold [mailto:mfaidengold@...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:27 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Ink all over


Paul,
I just put in my 1280 a brand new set of inks from MIS and I have a super
big mess on it. There is ink all over and the ink drips out of the
cartridge. As I'm new to this inks, I ask, what am I doing wrong?????
Thanks
Moises

Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>Don't leave the "Glop" sat in your printer for along period unused, 
>some types can react and cause the ink to dry out and solidify in 
>the cartridge particularly if it is acrylic or urethane based. 

Thanks for the warning.  I had a similar feeling and pulled it out as soon
as the experiment was done.  I use a C86 for testing.  It's a lot cheaper to
wreck one of these than the alternatives.

Glop is, of course, meant to be used in a printer, at least by itself.  I've
tried to inquire about clogging, but have found no evidence yet that it
clogs more than other inks.  This is an issue to keep an eye on, however.

>We did a 3year test on several versions of this type of combination.

Is it just the combination with other inks that is the problem, or does glop
by its nature tend to solidify?  

Frankly, the bulk glop looks most like the UT base.  When it is printed by
itself, it does have a bit of density to it.  So, it's clearly not just
base.  I think I've read the Epson version is an acrylic suspension.
Water-borne acrylic sprays, like aerosols, seem to have a bad reputation for
clogging those nozzles.

A paint technician once described water-borne acrylics as being like gooey
little golf balls suspended in water.  I have assumed that the acrylic that
Epson uses is relatively solid, but, on the other hand, it is used around
their pigments to help hold them onto the paper.  

Do you know how these Epson acrylic coatings and balls that are supposedly
used in the R800 glop compare to the acrylics that are in coatings, for
example the Golden mediums we were experimenting with for coating finished
prints?

Paul
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Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
I mixed an LK based on PK and Glop.  Putting it into the C86 black position,
I printed a BO test strip with it and compared it to the standard MIS LK
printed the same way.  There was almost no difference.  So, Glop seems to
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On Feb 4, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Ernst Dinkla wrote:

>
> Carl Schofield wrote:
>> Thanks Paul.  I'll scratch that option off my list for using glop in a
>> 4000.  I'm still considering the dual pass option with glop in the MK
>> slot for overlay application.
>>
>> Carl
>
> I think there are many good reasons to either use a dedicated,
> permanent ink channel for glop or a cheap second printer for
> glob only and in both cases applying Glop after printing. I've
> seen 3000's for 250 Euro secondhand and it would be a nice
> glop companion for a 4000. The first time glop was mentioned
> here I asked whether it influenced bleed etc when applied at
> the same time with the inks. Expecting similar effects that
> one gets when varnish is applied too short after a halftone
> printrun in silkscreen printing. In the last case dotgain gets
> higher.
>
> Using one ink channel for glop one time and another time for
> an ink is asking for trouble imho. Heads are not that easy to
> clean.
>
> However a 3000 with tinted glop per channel could deliver some
> nice simulations of older photographic processes. Fake of
> course. But that never stopped progress.
>
> Ernst

On Feb 5, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:

>
> Ernst,
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.  After this recent round of discussion on
> potential glop hazards I 'm going to hold off using it in the 4000.
> I've been using glop in the 2200 for a few weeks without problems, so
> I'll just keep it there for overcoating the smaller prints and monitor
> the situation.  Also, the larger PKN BO prints I'm doing in the 4000 on
> Epson premium semigloss don't need any glop.  If I need to coat other
> types of large prints from the 4000 I'll just use a spray and or wax to
> be safe.
>
> Carl
>
> On Feb 4, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Ernst Dinkla wrote:
>
>>
>> Carl Schofield wrote:
>>> Thanks Paul.  I'll scratch that option off my list for using glop in 
>>> a
>>> 4000.  I'm still considering the dual pass option with glop in the MK
>>> slot for overlay application.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>
>> I think there are many good reasons to either use a dedicated,
>> permanent ink channel for glop or a cheap second printer for
>> glob only and in both cases applying Glop after printing. I've
>> seen 3000's for 250 Euro secondhand and it would be a nice
>> glop companion for a 4000. The first time glop was mentioned
>> here I asked whether it influenced bleed etc when applied at
>> the same time with the inks. Expecting similar effects that
>> one gets when varnish is applied too short after a halftone
>> printrun in silkscreen printing. In the last case dotgain gets
>> higher.
>>
>> Using one ink channel for glop one time and another time for
>> an ink is asking for trouble imho. Heads are not that easy to
>> clean.
>>
>> However a 3000 with tinted glop per channel could deliver some
>> nice simulations of older photographic processes. Fake of
>> course. But that never stopped progress.
>>
>> Ernst
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