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Two Pass Printing ?

Two Pass Printing ?

2005-02-14 by Djon

I mistakenly buried this idea in an earlier post...

In View Camera Magazine ( www.viewcamera.com ) Craig Blacklock
explains "double-pass quadtone printing." Beautiful prints of nudes
and nature.

I wonder if it will work on common 2200 and similar printers using OEM
pigments?

I've started playing with the idea...using test photos, my 2200 places
dots well within 1mm of where they belong on 9" test prints...maybe
far more accurately than that...no halos showing out-of-register....

...for example a low contrast green pass and a very high contrast
black pass from a B&W negative I've made an accurately registered
two-color silkscreen-style image ...incredibly precise considering
it's a totally unmodified printer...

If this can be managed with subtlety in a common desktop printer like
2200, using Photoshop on conventional images it should increase Dmax
tremendously and make these printers much more impressive.

Has anybody made this work?

Re: Two Pass Printing ?

2005-02-15 by njfranknj

I did some two-pass printing years ago: one pass on an 1160 with MIS
quadtones and another on a 1200 with color. My purpose was not to
improve darks, it was to integrate color with the smoothness of
quadtone B&W and to handle each part separately.

I found that, by using 1 pixel "L" shaped corner markers and keeping
the image well away from the leading edge with the markers that about
1 out of 4 print passes would align both marks and the print would
align pretty well - well enough that I was able in one test to put a
colored object exactly back into the B&W area is was previously cut
out of, with no white border showing and no apparent overlap. It was
very tedious, though, so I went to other methods for minimizing the
need for such accuracy.

The two printers did not align horizontally, so I had to put a shim in
one to make up the difference, but even so, the paper did not always
align perfectly no matter how much care I took in guiding it into the
printer.

I put the corner marks on the leading edge of the image file (sized
for the paper, with the image area having a large border of blank
paper, especially at the leading edge), so that I could watch them
being printed during the start of the second pass and just shut off
the printer and eject the paper, if they didn't align during that
pass. As I said, about 1 out of 4 passes they did align and the whole
print then would be aligned.

I wonder, though, if multiple coatings of black ink really would make
enough difference to make this process worthwhile: would you run into
the law of diminishing returns? I'll take a look at the Blacklock
article as soon as I get a chance.

Frank


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Djon"
<westsidemaurice@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> I mistakenly buried this idea in an earlier post...
> 
> In View Camera Magazine ( www.viewcamera.com ) Craig Blacklock
> explains "double-pass quadtone printing." Beautiful prints of nudes
> and nature.
> 
> I wonder if it will work on common 2200 and similar printers using OEM
> pigments?
> 
> I've started playing with the idea...using test photos, my 2200 places
> dots well within 1mm of where they belong on 9" test prints...maybe
> far more accurately than that...no halos showing out-of-register....
> 
> ...for example a low contrast green pass and a very high contrast
> black pass from a B&W negative I've made an accurately registered
> two-color silkscreen-style image ...incredibly precise considering
> it's a totally unmodified printer...
> 
> If this can be managed with subtlety in a common desktop printer like
> 2200, using Photoshop on conventional images it should increase Dmax
> tremendously and make these printers much more impressive.
> 
> Has anybody made this work?

Re: Two Pass Printing ?

2005-02-15 by Djon

I doubt this would be a big help for conventional tone but I'm
imagining it would have potential in a couple of areas, such as
production of more genuine duotones, application of many more ink/s
pigments on a single sheet, and gloss spots (eg a
"glop"-coated-therefore-glossy photo on a matte sheet...nice).

The BIGGEST potential might be if non-photographic printmakers (eg
etchers or seriographers or stone lithographers) started using this
technology for more than photography...


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "njfranknj"
<kolwicz@e...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> I did some two-pass printing years ago: one pass on an 1160 with MIS
> quadtones and another on a 1200 with color. My purpose was not to
> improve darks, it was to integrate color with the smoothness of
> quadtone B&W and to handle each part separately.
> 
> I found that, by using 1 pixel "L" shaped corner markers and keeping
> the image well away from the leading edge with the markers that about
> 1 out of 4 print passes would align both marks and the print would
> align pretty well - well enough that I was able in one test to put a
> colored object exactly back into the B&W area is was previously cut
> out of, with no white border showing and no apparent overlap. It was
> very tedious, though, so I went to other methods for minimizing the
> need for such accuracy.
> 
> The two printers did not align horizontally, so I had to put a shim in
> one to make up the difference, but even so, the paper did not always
> align perfectly no matter how much care I took in guiding it into the
> printer.
> 
> I put the corner marks on the leading edge of the image file (sized
> for the paper, with the image area having a large border of blank
> paper, especially at the leading edge), so that I could watch them
> being printed during the start of the second pass and just shut off
> the printer and eject the paper, if they didn't align during that
> pass. As I said, about 1 out of 4 passes they did align and the whole
> print then would be aligned.
> 
> I wonder, though, if multiple coatings of black ink really would make
> enough difference to make this process worthwhile: would you run into
> the law of diminishing returns? I'll take a look at the Blacklock
> article as soon as I get a chance.
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Djon"
> <westsidemaurice@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > I mistakenly buried this idea in an earlier post...
> > 
> > In View Camera Magazine ( www.viewcamera.com ) Craig Blacklock
> > explains "double-pass quadtone printing." Beautiful prints of nudes
> > and nature.
> > 
> > I wonder if it will work on common 2200 and similar printers using OEM
> > pigments?
> > 
> > I've started playing with the idea...using test photos, my 2200 places
> > dots well within 1mm of where they belong on 9" test prints...maybe
> > far more accurately than that...no halos showing out-of-register....
> > 
> > ...for example a low contrast green pass and a very high contrast
> > black pass from a B&W negative I've made an accurately registered
> > two-color silkscreen-style image ...incredibly precise considering
> > it's a totally unmodified printer...
> > 
> > If this can be managed with subtlety in a common desktop printer like
> > 2200, using Photoshop on conventional images it should increase Dmax
> > tremendously and make these printers much more impressive.
> > 
> > Has anybody made this work?

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