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PrintShield/Guard spraying technique?

PrintShield/Guard spraying technique?

2005-02-18 by David Wroblewski

I've been experimenting this week with various semigloss,
gloss, and luster barrier papers on my 2200 + MIS UT inks.
Gloss differential appears on them all, mild to medium, as
frequently noted here.

Part of the experiment is learning to apply Lyson PrintGuard. 
I'm doing an awful job. I understand several light coats are
necessary, but even after four, spraying up/down/diagonal, the 
surface is splotchy (though gloss differential is nicely reduced.)

Could someone review a successful technique? I put the print at 
the bottom of a cardboard packing box and spray from about
20 inches away, hoping to reduce how much lands on the furniture.
I've tried it in the open air also, with similar results.

Thanks,
David

Re: PrintShield/Guard spraying technique?

2005-02-18 by Nick H. Nugent

Hi David,

Spraying from 20 inches away is a little too far. You need to come 
closer. Don't they suggest 8-12 inches? Even 12 inches is still a 
little further than ideal. At 20 inches the spray will fall on the 
print like powder and feel gritty to the touch. Try 8 inches. You'll 
just have to practice with a few cans before you get consistent 
results.

--nick

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David 
Wroblewski" <dawroblewski@y...> wrote:
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> ...
> Could someone review a successful technique? I put the print at 
> the bottom of a cardboard packing box and spray from about
> 20 inches away, hoping to reduce how much lands on the furniture.
> I've tried it in the open air also, with similar results.
> 
> Thanks,
> David

Re: PrintShield/Guard spraying technique?

2005-02-18 by john dean

Also make sure these prints are fully dried and hardened before you spray them. Especially 
with rc prints is this important. This spray does not work well in cold or excessively humid 
environments. Also I shake the cans for a minute before use. I have sprayed hundreds of 
huge prints and canvas pieces with this stuff ( with a mask ) and never have I ruined a 
print because of a problem with the spray, either Lyson or Premier Art.

john
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> Hi David,
> 
> Spraying from 20 inches away is a little too far. You need to come 
> closer. Don't they suggest 8-12 inches? Even 12 inches is still a 
> little further than ideal. At 20 inches the spray will fall on the 
> print like powder and feel gritty to the touch. Try 8 inches. You'll 
> just have to practice with a few cans before you get consistent 
> results.
> 
> --nick
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David 
> Wroblewski" <dawroblewski@y...> wrote:
> > ...
> > Could someone review a successful technique? I put the print at 
> > the bottom of a cardboard packing box and spray from about
> > 20 inches away, hoping to reduce how much lands on the furniture.
> > I've tried it in the open air also, with similar results.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > David

Re: PrintShield/Guard spraying technique?

2005-02-18 by David Wroblewski

Excellent, thanks for the advice. I'm in Colorado, and inside,
so it's dry and warm where I'm spraying. I have some older 
fully-dry prints I can practice on, to eliminate that variable.

Sounds like I need to shake longer and get closer. Thanks 
John and Nick---I'll try both your suggestions. Reassuring
to know this can be mastered.

-david

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
<deanwork2003@y...> wrote:
> 
> Also make sure these prints are fully dried and hardened before you
spray them. Especially 
> with rc prints is this important. This spray does not work well in
cold or excessively humid 
> environments. Also I shake the cans for a minute before use. I have
sprayed hundreds of 
> huge prints and canvas pieces with this stuff ( with a mask ) and
never have I ruined a 
> print because of a problem with the spray, either Lyson or Premier
Art.
> 
> john
> 
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > Spraying from 20 inches away is a little too far. You need to
come 
> > closer. Don't they suggest 8-12 inches? Even 12 inches is still a 
> > little further than ideal. At 20 inches the spray will fall on
the 
> > print like powder and feel gritty to the touch. Try 8 inches.
You'll 
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> > just have to practice with a few cans before you get consistent 
> > results.
> > 
> > --nick
> >

Re: [Digital BW] Re: PrintShield/Guard spraying technique?

2005-02-19 by Mr. and Mrs. Gorwin

It's interesting, but I have to sympathize with one of the people who 
recently wrote about all of the euphemisms, and abbreviations
that get tossed around on the group.  I realize that rc, in this 
context, stands for some kind of chrome based ink print.  But in 
traditional darkroom terms, rc stands
for resin coated silver gelatin paper (plastic).  I think we need a 
glossary or something. :~)  Peter Gorwin
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On Feb 18, 2005, at 3:45 PM, john dean wrote:

>
>
> Also make sure these prints are fully dried and hardened before you 
> spray them. Especially
> with rc prints is this important. This spray does not work well in 
> cold or excessively humid
> environments. Also I shake the cans for a minute before use. I have 
> sprayed hundreds of
> huge prints and canvas pieces with this stuff ( with a mask ) and 
> never have I ruined a
> print because of a problem with the spray, either Lyson or Premier Art.
>
> john
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Spraying from 20 inches away is a little too far. You need to come
>> closer. Don't they suggest 8-12 inches? Even 12 inches is still a
>> little further than ideal. At 20 inches the spray will fall on the
>> print like powder and feel gritty to the touch. Try 8 inches. You'll
>> just have to practice with a few cans before you get consistent
>> results.
>>
>> --nick
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David
>> Wroblewski" <dawroblewski@y...> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Could someone review a successful technique? I put the print at
>>> the bottom of a cardboard packing box and spray from about
>>> 20 inches away, hoping to reduce how much lands on the furniture.
>>> I've tried it in the open air also, with similar results.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> David
>
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rc

2005-02-19 by john dean

Yes, RC does still refer to resin coated. The Premium Luster, P. Semi Gloss, P. Glossy are 
inkjet papers that are poly resin coated, though certainly not identical to gelatin silver rc 
material. They have an ink receptor coating, not a polymer-silver coating, on the plastic 
base, but they look and feel pretty much the same, hence the term rc. The correct 
technical term for this type of inkjet paper is "microporous"  inkjet media. That refers to 
the micro sized pores that the coating contains that allow the inks to penetrate slightly 
below the surface in building up the image. There is another type of rc inkjet media called 
swellable polymer, that was designed to provide more protection to dye inksets such as 
used in the Epson 1280, etc. to protect them from gas fading.

John

Re: [Digital BW] rc

2005-02-19 by Peter Gorwin

Thanks for the POC John . . . (point of clarification) ;~)  Peter G.

P.S.  very informative, again, by the way!
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On Feb 18, 2005, at 8:08 PM, john dean wrote:

>
>
> Yes, RC does still refer to resin coated. The Premium Luster, P. Semi 
> Gloss, P. Glossy are
> inkjet papers that are poly resin coated, though certainly not 
> identical to gelatin silver rc
> material. They have an ink receptor coating, not a polymer-silver 
> coating, on the plastic
> base, but they look and feel pretty much the same, hence the term rc. 
> The correct
> technical term for this type of inkjet paper is "microporous"  inkjet 
> media. That refers to
> the micro sized pores that the coating contains that allow the inks to 
> penetrate slightly
> below the surface in building up the image. There is another type of 
> rc inkjet media called
> swellable polymer, that was designed to provide more protection to dye 
> inksets such as
> used in the Epson 1280, etc. to protect them from gas fading.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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