Digital BW, The Print

Hey Mark,

We should get together again. I have been using the MIS VM set for a few
weeks and I'd love to see what you are doing with the FS inks.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Carpenter" <yahoo@...>
To: <piezography3000@yahoogroups.com>;
<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:13 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Up and running, but... (cross-posted)


> Egads, I feel like such a knucklehead. Now I don't believe I really had
DSS.
>
> Both ConeTech and MIS got their respective packages to me Friday, so I was
> able to play with the CIS this weekend. Flushing out the CIS tubing was
> less of a hassle than I expected and I managed to fill the new cartridges
> with the MIS FS inks without making a mess. After printing out several
> flush patterns with the Epson ink, I reinstalled the CIS and shortly had
> clear nozzle checks.
>
> Then I printed the gradient with the 1" block of 100% at the dark end. I
> was shocked to still see the same sudden drop at the 100%/99% line. After
> looking at the paper closer, I flipped it over, ran it though again, and
> was even more shocked to see a perfect gradient. I have been printing on
> the wrong side of the paper. I had no idea it would affect the density in
> that particular manner. This explains why I had a perfect nozzle check,
but
> still had the cramped midtones.
>
> So then I printed out the staircase example off the CD, correctly, and
> everything looks beautiful! Comparing this staircase print to one I did
> when I first installed the CIS (both Legion Photo Matte), I see that the
> original is a little warmer, and only a little. I think I can see a little
> bit more separation in the shadows on the FS print, but again, only a
> little. It's such a close call to my eyes. It's not a perfect comparison
> considering the aging factor, but I would have to say I like the FS print
> better. That may be because of the cooler tone on the recent print. So at
> least I didn't take a step back aesthetics-wise by switching inks.
>
> I can't speak to others' experiences, but I think Cone's service was
> outstanding. This is an issue that no one has a real bead on and they
still
> sent me the cartridges without a hassle. They offered it. Due to simple
> economics, I still would have gone to the FS ink once the Cone inks were
> gone, even if I hadn't had "problems". I'm working on a pretty low budget,
> which is why I'm using the Legion paper. Thankfully I really like it. For
> me, the main draw of the Piezo system over the others is the software, and
> it has been well worth that expense.
>
> Despite my embarrassment and the fact that I probably owe Cone some money
> now, I didn't want my goof-up to skew any variables in the already complex
> situation known as DSS.
>
> Anyway, it looks like I'm all set to crank out those exchange images. I'll
> make sure you get them on the correct side!
>
> Thanks for everyone's time, especially Jim's. Sorry all.
> Mark
>
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Mark, 

We all feel like Knuckleheads now and then...most of us just don't admit it as openly or honestly as you did...

Bravo for the guts to admit a mistake.  

May I suggest Eclipse paper for you...it is dual sided (coated on both sides) and reasonably priced for a 100% rag paper.  Very smooth and nice print qualities.  Check at photoinkjet.com. 

Steadman 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Carpenter 
  To: piezography3000@yahoogroups.com ; DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:13 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Up and running, but... (cross-posted)


  Egads, I feel like such a knucklehead. Now I don't believe I really had DSS.

  Both ConeTech and MIS got their respective packages to me Friday, so I was 
  able to play with the CIS this weekend. Flushing out the CIS tubing was 
  less of a hassle than I expected and I managed to fill the new cartridges 
  with the MIS FS inks without making a mess. After printing out several 
  flush patterns with the Epson ink, I reinstalled the CIS and shortly had 
  clear nozzle checks.

  Then I printed the gradient with the 1" block of 100% at the dark end. I 
  was shocked to still see the same sudden drop at the 100%/99% line. After 
  looking at the paper closer, I flipped it over, ran it though again, and 
  was even more shocked to see a perfect gradient. I have been printing on 
  the wrong side of the paper. I had no idea it would affect the density in 
  that particular manner. This explains why I had a perfect nozzle check, but 
  still had the cramped midtones.

  So then I printed out the staircase example off the CD, correctly, and 
  everything looks beautiful! Comparing this staircase print to one I did 
  when I first installed the CIS (both Legion Photo Matte), I see that the 
  original is a little warmer, and only a little. I think I can see a little 
  bit more separation in the shadows on the FS print, but again, only a 
  little. It's such a close call to my eyes. It's not a perfect comparison 
  considering the aging factor, but I would have to say I like the FS print 
  better. That may be because of the cooler tone on the recent print. So at 
  least I didn't take a step back aesthetics-wise by switching inks.

  I can't speak to others' experiences, but I think Cone's service was 
  outstanding. This is an issue that no one has a real bead on and they still 
  sent me the cartridges without a hassle. They offered it. Due to simple 
  economics, I still would have gone to the FS ink once the Cone inks were 
  gone, even if I hadn't had "problems". I'm working on a pretty low budget, 
  which is why I'm using the Legion paper. Thankfully I really like it. For 
  me, the main draw of the Piezo system over the others is the software, and 
  it has been well worth that expense.

  Despite my embarrassment and the fact that I probably owe Cone some money 
  now, I didn't want my goof-up to skew any variables in the already complex 
  situation known as DSS.

  Anyway, it looks like I'm all set to crank out those exchange images. I'll 
  make sure you get them on the correct side!

  Thanks for everyone's time, especially Jim's. Sorry all.
  Mark


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