Digital BW, The Print

Hello all,

I am still fairly new to printing and preparing Fine art work for 
framing. I have started cutting my own matting and mounting. I am 
very interested in the "hinge mounting" technique. Can someone 
explain this to me?

Thanks, 

Michael
http://www.ChevalArts.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C"
<mcfotowurks@y...> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am still fairly new to printing and preparing Fine art work for 
> framing. I have started cutting my own matting and mounting. I am 
> very interested in the "hinge mounting" technique. Can someone 
> explain this to me?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Michael
> http://www.ChevalArts.com

Try a Google search for "hinge mounting" linen.  I found this in seconds:

http://www.trueart.info/hinging.htm


Steve Gledhill
http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk

Steve,

Thanks so much for directing me to that website. It contains very 
detailed instruction, and more. Just what I needed.

By the way, your site is very nice, great work.

Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve 
Gledhill" <stephengledhill@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C"
> <mcfotowurks@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > I am still fairly new to printing and preparing Fine art work 
for 
> > framing. I have started cutting my own matting and mounting. I 
am 
> > very interested in the "hinge mounting" technique. Can someone 
> > explain this to me?
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > 
> > Michael
> > http://www.ChevalArts.com
> 
> Try a Google search for "hinge mounting" linen.  I found this in 
seconds:

> 
> http://www.trueart.info/hinging.htm
> 
> 
> Steve Gledhill
> http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk

Here is another website you may find useful. Has good instructions 
and diagrams.

http://www.nedcc.org/plam3/tleaf66.htm

Don

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C" 
<mcfotowurks@y...> wrote:

> 
> Steve,
> 
> Thanks so much for directing me to that website. It contains very 
> detailed instruction, and more. Just what I needed.
> 
> By the way, your site is very nice, great work.
> 
> Michael
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve 
> Gledhill" <stephengledhill@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C"
> > <mcfotowurks@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > I am still fairly new to printing and preparing Fine art work 
> for 
> > > framing. I have started cutting my own matting and mounting. I 
> am 
> > > very interested in the "hinge mounting" technique. Can someone 
> > > explain this to me?
> > > 
> > > Thanks, 
> > > 
> > > Michael
> > > http://www.ChevalArts.com
> > 
> > Try a Google search for "hinge mounting" linen.  I found this in 
> seconds:
> > 
> > http://www.trueart.info/hinging.htm
> > 
> > 
> > Steve Gledhill
> > http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk

Just a tidbit:  Mounting to the window mat is generally frowned upon.
 Collectors/curator want to open the window to examine the full face
of the print, and let the print hang down from the backing to examine
the back of the print.

john

Hello John,

>Just a tidbit:  Mounting to the window mat is generally frowned upon.
> Collectors/curator want to open the window to examine the full face
>of the print, and let the print hang down from the backing to examine
>the back of the print.

Good point.  What I'm doing now is I think the best of both worlds. 
One of my frustrations with mounting on the backing has been that if
the matt moves even slightly during framing its spacing around the
image is messed up.  Hinging to the matt solves that, and the entire
process is quicker and easier.  So I am hinging the top of the print
the matt, and the top of the matt to the top of the backing.  This
allows the matt to be lifted and the print drops down to be fully
examined.  Seems like a good compromise.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Thanks for the references.  Not sure I want to mess with starch paste etc.
Are all comfy with using one of the mentioned acid free tapes eg Filmoplast?

> From: lakecd <lakecd2@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:25:18 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: hinge mounting
> 
> 
> 
> Here is another website you may find useful. Has good instructions
> and diagrams.
> 
> http://www.nedcc.org/plam3/tleaf66.htm
> 
> Don
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C"
> <mcfotowurks@y...> wrote:
>> 
>> Steve,
>> 
>> Thanks so much for directing me to that website. It contains very
>> detailed instruction, and more. Just what I needed.
>> 
>> By the way, your site is very nice, great work.
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve
>> Gledhill" <stephengledhill@y...> wrote:
>>> 
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael C"
>>> <mcfotowurks@y...> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> I am still fairly new to printing and preparing Fine art work
>> for 
>>>> framing. I have started cutting my own matting and mounting. I
>> am 
>>>> very interested in the "hinge mounting" technique. Can someone
>>>> explain this to me?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, 
>>>> 
>>>> Michael
>>>> http://www.ChevalArts.com
>>> 
>>> Try a Google search for "hinge mounting" linen.  I found this in
>> seconds:
>>> 
>>> http://www.trueart.info/hinging.htm
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Steve Gledhill
>>> http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk
> 
> 
>

One other question:  if one is going to hinge mount and NOT USE GLAZING, is
a window mat overlap of 1/4 inch enough or is more recommended eg 1/2 inch?
I would be using 8 ply mat board and endeavouring to follow the instructions
in the previously posted tutorials re hinging the mat window to the mount
board and then hinging the image to the mount board.

That's how I do it also.  Allows viewing both sides, leaves the print free
to move, still easily reversable.

Seth

==-----Original Message-----
==From: Clayton Jones [mailto:cj@...] 

==
==>Just a tidbit:  Mounting to the window mat is generally frowned upon.
==> Collectors/curator want to open the window to examine the 
==full face of 
==>the print, and let the print hang down from the backing to 
==examine the 
==>back of the print.
==
==Good point.  What I'm doing now is I think the best of both worlds. 
==One of my frustrations with mounting on the backing has been 
==that if the matt moves even slightly during framing its 
==spacing around the image is messed up.  Hinging to the matt 
==solves that, and the entire process is quicker and easier.  
==So I am hinging the top of the print the matt, and the top of 
==the matt to the top of the backing.  This allows the matt to 
==be lifted and the print drops down to be fully examined.  
==Seems like a good compromise.

Polyvinylacrylic (PVA) adhesive is the alternative, but not as easily
reversible.  It comes pre-mixed.

Seth 

==-----Original Message-----
==From: Steve Kale [mailto:stevekale@...] 
==
==
==Thanks for the references.  Not sure I want to mess with 
==starch paste etc.
==Are all comfy with using one of the mentioned acid free tapes 
==eg Filmoplast?
==
==

I don't think 1/4" will hold things flat in a changing environment,
regardless of mat weight.

I think much depends on weight of the paper if you use narrow borders.  If
you're printing 11x14 on a 13x19, I'd leave all the border, assuming a 16x20
or so mat board/frame.

(Without glazing though you have no need to use barriers in the back either,
so a cost savings.)

Seth 

==-----Original Message-----
==From: Steve Kale [mailto:stevekale@...] 
==
==
==One other question:  if one is going to hinge mount and NOT 
==USE GLAZING, is a window mat overlap of 1/4 inch enough or is 
==more recommended eg 1/2 inch?
==I would be using 8 ply mat board and endeavouring to follow 
==the instructions in the previously posted tutorials re 
==hinging the mat window to the mount board and then hinging 
==the image to the mount board.
==
==
==

Ok thanks.  Here is what I am thinking.  I am generally trying to find a
dimension mix that will fit one of framedestination.com's standard sizes.  I
think this is the best I can come up with with "rational" dimensions:

20x26 frame with exact opening of 11.75x17.75 inches.  4in 8 ply window mat.
Actual image is 10.35x16.75in (1.6181818 Fibonacci ratio - err not 35mm
dimensions but at least it has a story and looks excellent for most
landscapes) printed on 13x19in paper (5/8in overlap).  That leaves a top,
left and right border of 1/2in and a bottom border of 0.9in.  Hopefully that
will be sturdy enough - I really don't like the way the reflection of
glazing detracts from the whole image (and non-reflective glazing is very
expensive).

Thanks for all the help.

> From: Seth <seth@...>
> Organization: Serh Rossman Photography
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:38:30 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: hinge mounting
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't think 1/4" will hold things flat in a changing environment,
> regardless of mat weight.
> 
> I think much depends on weight of the paper if you use narrow borders.  If
> you're printing 11x14 on a 13x19, I'd leave all the border, assuming a 16x20
> or so mat board/frame.
> 
> (Without glazing though you have no need to use barriers in the back either,
> so a cost savings.)
> 
> Seth 
> 
> ==-----Original Message-----
> ==From: Steve Kale [mailto:stevekale@...]
> ==
> ==
> ==One other question:  if one is going to hinge mount and NOT
> ==USE GLAZING, is a window mat overlap of 1/4 inch enough or is
> ==more recommended eg 1/2 inch?
> ==I would be using 8 ply mat board and endeavouring to follow
> ==the instructions in the previously posted tutorials re
> ==hinging the mat window to the mount board and then hinging
> ==the image to the mount board.
> ==
> ==
> ==
> 
> 
> 
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Also, NOT recommended by LOC preservation since they usually etch with acid.
LOC isn't sure it can be completely eliminated.

Seth 

==-----Original Message-----
==From: Steve Kale [mailto:stevekale@...] 

==really don't like the way the reflection of glazing detracts 
==from the whole image (and non-reflective glazing is very expensive).
==

==