Digital BW, The Print

I am printing with a 4000 on a Mac using QuadtoneRIP 2.1., Premium Luster 
roll paper.  It has been acting strange lately. It will start to print just fine, 
somewhere in the middle it will stop, backup and start to print over the top of 
where it already printed. One of the strange things is that it will print a couple 
prints normally and then start acting up. I just printed one print twice; the first 
one was find the second was not.

Please help, this is driving me crazy.

Thanks

I've had the same experience a couple of times when making QTR prints 
on roll paper with my 4000.  I don't know why this happens.

Carl

On Mar 11, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Steve Schaefer wrote:

>
>
> I am printing with a 4000 on a Mac using QuadtoneRIP 2.1., Premium 
> Luster
> roll paper.  It has been acting strange lately. It will start to print 
> just fine,
> somewhere in the middle it will stop, backup and start to print over 
> the top of
> where it already printed. One of the strange things is that it will 
> print a couple
> prints normally and then start acting up. I just printed one print 
> twice; the first
> one was find the second was not.
>
> Please help, this is driving me crazy.
>
> Thanks

Steve, you might try vs. 2.2.  I had problems with the 2200 printing--just rolling it through after about 6 prints.  The newest version fixed that.

Diane

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Schaefer 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:26 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Strange happenings with the 4000 and the QuadtoneRIP



  I am printing with a 4000 on a Mac using QuadtoneRIP 2.1., Premium Luster 
  roll paper.  It has been acting strange lately. It will start to print just fine, 
  somewhere in the middle it will stop, backup and start to print over the top of 
  where it already printed. One of the strange things is that it will print a couple 
  prints normally and then start acting up. I just printed one print twice; the first 
  one was find the second was not.

  Please help, this is driving me crazy.

  Thanks






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Steve and Carl,

I've had a couple reports of this on Panther 10.3.   It seems to be rare but
some people keep getting it.  From what I've been able to decipher its a
timing problem in the Panther USB driver.  Way back I had a completely
different usb problem with my 7500.   I've been using the Jaguar USB driver
on my Panther system because of the 7500 but I also have never had a problem
with the 4000.  So I've started suggesting people run the Jaguar USB if they
have problems and it seems to cure it.  The Jaguar USB is available on my
website -- just scroll down to Panther USB Error.  Download and install it.
If this works for you let me know, I'd like to get more evidence that this
really is a fix.

Roy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield <scho@m...> 
wrote:

> I've had the same experience a couple of times when making QTR prints 
> on roll paper with my 4000.  I don't know why this happens.
> 
> Carl
> 
> On Mar 11, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Steve Schaefer wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I am printing with a 4000 on a Mac using QuadtoneRIP 2.1., Premium 
> > Luster
> > roll paper.  It has been acting strange lately. It will start to print 
> > just fine,
> > somewhere in the middle it will stop, backup and start to print over 
> > the top of
> > where it already printed. One of the strange things is that it will 
> > print a couple
> > prints normally and then start acting up. I just printed one print 
> > twice; the first
> > one was find the second was not.
> >
> > Please help, this is driving me crazy.
> >
> > Thanks

Roy,

This problem has been very infrequent with my 4000 and I can recall 
only two occasions when it has happened, both times on roll paper with 
a custom paper size.  I'll remember to document the occurrence of this 
problem with more data if it should happen again.

Carl

On Mar 11, 2005, at 8:07 PM, Roy Harrington wrote:

>
>
>
> Steve and Carl,
>
> I've had a couple reports of this on Panther 10.3.   It seems to be 
> rare but
> some people keep getting it.  From what I've been able to decipher its 
> a
> timing problem in the Panther USB driver.  Way back I had a completely
> different usb problem with my 7500.   I've been using the Jaguar USB 
> driver
> on my Panther system because of the 7500 but I also have never had a 
> problem
> with the 4000.  So I've started suggesting people run the Jaguar USB 
> if they
> have problems and it seems to cure it.  The Jaguar USB is available on 
> my
> website -- just scroll down to Panther USB Error.  Download and 
> install it.
> If this works for you let me know, I'd like to get more evidence that 
> this
> really is a fix.
>
> Roy
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
> <scho@m...>
> wrote:
>> I've had the same experience a couple of times when making QTR prints
>> on roll paper with my 4000.  I don't know why this happens.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Steve Schaefer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am printing with a 4000 on a Mac using QuadtoneRIP 2.1., Premium
>>> Luster
>>> roll paper.  It has been acting strange lately. It will start to 
>>> print
>>> just fine,
>>> somewhere in the middle it will stop, backup and start to print over
>>> the top of
>>> where it already printed. One of the strange things is that it will
>>> print a couple
>>> prints normally and then start acting up. I just printed one print
>>> twice; the first
>>> one was find the second was not.
>>>
>>> Please help, this is driving me crazy.
>>>
>>> Thanks

"Steve Schaefer"  wrote:
> I am printing with a 4000 on a Mac using QuadtoneRIP 2.1., Premium Luster 
> roll paper.  It has been acting strange lately. It will start to print just fine, 
> somewhere in the middle it will stop, backup and start to print over the top of 
> where it already printed.> Please help, this is driving me crazy.

My client has almost the same problem on his 4000/Panther but only uses sheet paper. 
The 4000 will start printing at the very leading edge of the paper - for about two inches - 
then compose itself and begin printing within the normal margins.

It occurs about 5% of the time. It occurs with QTR and it might happen with the Epson 
driver but my client uses the Epson driver so little that he isn't totally sure.

I'll install the Jaguar USB fix and see how it goes. Thanks for the info everyone.

John V.

Hi Roy,

I would like to confirm that I have also experienced this problem.  I
using OS X 10.3.8.  Due to requirements of other software I am using,
I am reluctant to move back to earlier USB drivers.

This has only happen once to me while printing on Epson Premium Luster
250 in Rolls.  I have only had the RIP for a few weeks.

Other than this problem I am very happy with the results I am getting.

Ray Maxwell

steve

exactly the same things happen to all the time.

you are not alone, I just learn to live with it
although it's annoying.

also, my 4000 refuses single sheets loaded from the
top of the machine... just the paper tray.

steve



--- Steve Schaefer <listmail04@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

I am printing with a 4000 on a Mac using QuadtoneRIP
2.1., Premium Luster 
roll paper.  It has been acting strange lately. It
will start to print just fine, 
somewhere in the middle it will stop, backup and start
to print over the top of 
where it already printed. One of the strange things is
that it will print a couple 
prints normally and then start acting up. I just
printed one print twice; the first 
one was find the second was not.

Please help, this is driving me crazy.

Thanks






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> Thanks for all you help.
> 
> Lately I have experienced this problem about 50% of the time, not just ones
> and a wile.
> 
> Roy are you saying that this only happens with the USB driver?  So if I
> switched to a firewire cable it would not happen?
> 
> That seems like an easy fix
> 
> Steve
> 
> Steve and Carl,
> 
> I've had a couple reports of this on Panther 10.3.   It seems to be rare but
> some people keep getting it.  From what I've been able to decipher its a
> timing problem in the Panther USB driver.  Way back I had a completely
> different usb problem with my 7500.   I've been using the Jaguar USB driver
> on my Panther system because of the 7500 but I also have never had a problem
> with the 4000.  So I've started suggesting people run the Jaguar USB if they
> have problems and it seems to cure it.  The Jaguar USB is available on my
> website -- just scroll down to Panther USB Error.  Download and install it.
> If this works for you let me know, I'd like to get more evidence that this
> really is a fix.
> 
> Roy



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> 
> This is now happening to me almost every time I print using Epson Premium
> Luster 250 in Rolls. I am also reluctant to move back to a earlier USB driver.
> Can one have both loaded and switch back and forth?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Roy,
> 
> I would like to confirm that I have also experienced this problem.  I
> using OS X 10.3.8.  Due to requirements of other software I am using,
> I am reluctant to move back to earlier USB drivers.
> 
> This has only happen once to me while printing on Epson Premium Luster
> 250 in Rolls.  I have only had the RIP for a few weeks.
> 
> Other than this problem I am very happy with the results I am getting.
> 
> Ray Maxwell
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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There is a post on the 4000 group saying this has happened WITHOUT a RIP!

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Schaefer <listmail04@b...> 
wrote:

> > 
> > This is now happening to me almost every time I print using Epson Premium
> > Luster 250 in Rolls. I am also reluctant to move back to a earlier USB driver.
> > Can one have both loaded and switch back and forth?
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Roy,
> > 
> > I would like to confirm that I have also experienced this problem.  I
> > using OS X 10.3.8.  Due to requirements of other software I am using,
> > I am reluctant to move back to earlier USB drivers.
> > 
> > This has only happen once to me while printing on Epson Premium Luster
> > 250 in Rolls.  I have only had the RIP for a few weeks.
> > 
> > Other than this problem I am very happy with the results I am getting.
> > 
> > Ray Maxwell
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Steve Schaefer <listmail04@b...> 
> > Lately I have experienced this problem about 50% of the time, not just ones
> > and a wile.
> > 
> > Roy are you saying that this only happens with the USB driver?  So if I
> > switched to a firewire cable it would not happen?

QTR does not work with Firewire.

Does the problem happen with the Epson driver also?

> This is now happening to me almost every time I print using Epson Premium
> Luster 250 in Rolls. I am also reluctant to move back to a earlier USB driver.

If it is happening all the time you have nothing to lose by trying the eariler USB driver.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ray_maxwell2000" 
<rmaxwell@d...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Roy,
> 
> I would like to confirm that I have also experienced this problem.  I
> using OS X 10.3.8.  Due to requirements of other software I am using,
> I am reluctant to move back to earlier USB drivers.
> 
> This has only happen once to me while printing on Epson Premium Luster
> 250 in Rolls.  I have only had the RIP for a few weeks.
> 
> Other than this problem I am very happy with the results I am getting.
> 
> Ray Maxwell

Here's a fairly long winded account of the problem as I know it.

I tend to be leery about suggesting to others about changing "internal" things
in their OS, so I understand your hesitation.  However, I think this one is pretty
localized -- I can't be positive but I doubt anything else in your system
uses this particular program.  In Jaguar 10.2 a new print system was
introduced called CUPS -- Common Unix Printing System.  Only print drivers
that were redone for CUPS use the usb backend driver that I'm talking about.
No other usb devices go through this cups backend.

With CUPS there's one "backend" for each kind of hardware connection.
So there's a usb backend, an ethernet backend etc.  The reason you can't
use firewire is that there isn't a firewire backend -- yet, I think Tiger will have
one.  The nice thing is that drivers such as QTR don't have to even know what
kind of hardware is used for the connection.  With the old way -- Epson still
uses it -- you need a separate driver for each connection.  
If anybody's interested the backends are in:    /usr/libexec/cups/backend

When Panther came out Apple updated the usb backend and it flat out wouldn't
talk to my 7500 at all.  Being an experimenter I tried the old Jaguar usb backend
and lo and behold it worked fine.  I reported this to Apple a long time ago but
since the printer is so old I imagine the bug is very low priority for them.
I've never had a problem with my 4000 so I was surprised by the reports of
the printer backing up intermittently.   One guy had it consistently enough that
we tested a few things out.  The clincher for me was this test:
We made a 5 page print job and saved all the output from QTR in a file.  Then
we sent the "raw" file to the printer multiple times.  Interestingly, the identical
raw data showed the backup problem on different pages each time.  This at
least points to QTR not producing weird commands.

The fact that I never experienced the backup problem suggested that maybe
the Panther usb backend had a problem with the 4000 as well.  I've only had
a few people switch back to the Jaguar usb backend but so far it looks like
this is a fix to the problem.

Roy