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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Backlight film setting

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Backlight film setting

2001-11-27 by Jeff Magidson

Jerry Olson wrote:

 
> Also Photo matte is now about the same price as epson's archival matte.
> There is no logo on the back, it is whiter than epson, and thicker than
> epson. Great blacks too, if you use paul roark's curves but substitute
> the backlight film setting for heavyweight matte.

Jerry;

I saw you Bicklight film setting tip and decided to give it a try. I
took a portrait image file that I had recently made a nice print of
using VM on an 1160 <warm neutral curve> on  LPM using the "matte paper
-heavyweight setting"

Using the Backlight film setting... the printer sure did lay down a good
black but the mid tones where all solarized and the highlights where all
blown out. I thought something had gone terribly wrong with my printer!
I then switched the Epson driver setting to "Matte paper- heavyweight"
my usual setting for LPM, and out came a perfect print!

Strange....

-Jeff

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Backlight film setting

2001-11-27 by Jerry Olson

Very Strange Jeff.

I haven't seen this problem yet. But I did not try it on any portraits.
I've only printed about 8 or so images with that setting, and I haven't
seen any posterization.  I'm sure there is some shadow detail that is
lost, but for certain images, the deep blacks are so satisfactory I
would prefer them to the subtle shadow detail I will probably lose. I
must make more comparison prints.  I will ask Paul if curves could be
written with the backlight setting to take advantage of the deep black. 
I have not seen anything that could be called solarized.

Oops, I just noticed you are using an 1160. This setting was used on my
1280. I haven't tried it on my 1160 yet, but I will today. I bet that is
the problem.

Jerry
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> I saw you Bicklight film setting tip and decided to give it a try. I
> took a portrait image file that I had recently made a nice print of
> using VM on an 1160 <warm neutral curve> on  LPM using the "matte paper
> -heavyweight setting"
> 
> Using the Backlight film setting... the printer sure did lay down a good
> black but the mid tones where all solarized and the highlights where all
> blown out. I thought something had gone terribly wrong with my printer!
> I then switched the Epson driver setting to "Matte paper- heavyweight"
> my usual setting for LPM, and out came a perfect print!
> 
> Strange....
> 
> -Jeff
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Backlight film setting

2001-11-27 by Bill Morse

Jerry, have you tried printing out a step wedge with this setting- That will
show if there is a problem.

Bill

on 11/27/01 4:33 PM, Jerry Olson wrote:

...I've only printed about 8 or so images with that setting, and I haven't
seen any posterization.  I'm sure there is some shadow detail that is
lost, but for certain images, the deep blacks are so satisfactory I
would prefer them to the subtle shadow detail I will probably lose. I
must make more comparison prints.  I will ask Paul if curves could be
written with the backlight setting to take advantage of the deep black.
I have not seen anything that could be called solarized.

Jerry





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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Backlight film setting

2001-11-29 by Jerry Olson

Hi, Bill,

Yes, and there IS a problem with stepwedges. Too much of a gap between
pure black and the next patch on the wedge. SO far, though, the actual
prints look great. But this is with landscape images. Portraits might be
a problem. This is on the 1280 printer with the 6 hexone VM inks. Paul
Thinks he can write a curve that may help, I'm going to send him some
scans and we'll see what happens. I can't understand how the black is so
much richer with this setting.  

Jerry

Bill Morse wrote:
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> 
> Jerry, have you tried printing out a step wedge with this setting- That will
> show if there is a problem.
> 
> Bill
> 
> on 11/27/01 4:33 PM, Jerry Olson wrote:
> 
> ...I've only printed about 8 or so images with that setting, and I haven't
> seen any posterization.  I'm sure there is some shadow detail that is
> lost, but for certain images, the deep blacks are so satisfactory I
> would prefer them to the subtle shadow detail I will probably lose. I
> must make more comparison prints.  I will ask Paul if curves could be
> written with the backlight setting to take advantage of the deep black.
> I have not seen anything that could be called solarized.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
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